Stop the LIP FLAP!

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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:44 am

I've only seen one person ask for this thread to be locked.
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Postby BishounenStalker » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:28 am

I requested locking the thread (and so far, I think I'm the only person to do so) because it's ceased to be a meaningful discussion. As of page 3, it's degenerated into flames and backpedaling. We're now on page 4. What's the point of continuing to discuss it when people are doing nothing but sniping at each other and admitting that the thread is pointless in the first place?
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Postby older_gohan » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:00 am

Might as well talk about the topic at hand.

Personally i have found it hard to edit around some lip flap. Now true I could use other clips but they wouldn't have the same effect as different ones. I guess it comes down to the idea, you work with what you have. There's alot of anime's you can work with but like with most other AMV creators on this site, once you have an idea down your set on it and really don't have a mind to majorly change it's layout.

Lip flap does look bad on msot videos and I'd have to say sometimes I look at my own and cringe at all the talking. However I'll look back after than and just think about what I had to work with.

I dunno sometimes you can get around it while at others it's almost impossible to get around. With my selection right now I am not sure I could get around lip flap. I do have a few that do but others don't.

*just thought of something*

Another part that plays big is the genre of your video as well. Sentimental videos tend to have a lot of talking. Your using very emtional clips and like most animes they have people talking. Now you could use that to your advantage and post the subs to what they are saying. Other times you just need the clips and not the words but they are speaking anyways. I think for some it can be down right impossible to avoid Lip Flap.

That's my opinion on it.
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Postby Adv1sor » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:27 am

I disagree, older_gohan, with the idea that sometimes the lip flap is impossible to get around. As you said, you could just use another clip.

I do like your good idea of using lip flap in a sentimental AMV. I haven’t seen too many of this genre that I liked, but I can see how lip flap could make them better, in some cases.

My main problems with the sentimental AMVs are that they usually just try to copy a sentimental scene or story from the anime. If you are not familiar with the anime then you won’t get what’s going on. If you are familiar with the anime then it’s unlikely that a 3 minute AMV is going to have more emotional impact than the anime story itself. This is why my own AMVs, amateurish though they are, are only fun and fan service.

Maybe I’ll try to do a sentimental AMV that creates a new story and uses some lip flap in a creative way as an exercise in trying to better appreciate the genre?

Or maybe I’ll start another n00b thread on the topic of sentimental AMVs and see what other good ideas are generated here on the board ;)
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Postby older_gohan » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:32 am

I see how it is. Steal our majorly veteran ideas and run off with them yourself! lol

I did find it hard in one of my sentinmental videos to get around lip flap. And I was also scared to use the subtitles cause one view of a subtitle and people will jump you like starwars fan at a trekie con.
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Postby downwithpants » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:36 am

bishounenstalker: if you think a thread should be locked. make a post in the mod's drop box, where they are more likely to see it, rather than in the thread you're referring to, where 1) if a mod sees it, they would already be reading the topic and have come to a decision of whether the thread needs locking, and 2) it derails the thread.

on the original topic. lip flap can be used intentionally by the creator to get across effects she wants to get across, especially where dissocation between the music and video is desired. however i've seen it more frequently as an unintentional distractor. a good suggestion would be for creators not to completely avoid lip flap, but to know why they left it in wherever they did.
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:43 am

downwithpants wrote:on the original topic. lip flap can be used intentionally by the creator to get across effects she wants to get across, especially where dissocation between the music and video is desired. however i've seen it more frequently as an unintentional distractor. a good suggestion would be for creators not to completely avoid lip flap, but to know why they left it in wherever they did.
Sometimes lip movements to me can match with a certain feel or element in the music besides the vocals..
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Postby Free Your Mind » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:13 pm

celibi87 wrote:well yeah....that is bad. i admit some of mine have crappy editing but when i put my mind to it i do an alright job.




100% same with me if you want a good example of lip sync search for: The "Shaving"

The lip synce is good put at one point there was lip flap but it wasnt meant to even be an attmemt to make lip flap or lip synce
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Postby celibi87 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:17 pm

Free Your Mind wrote:
celibi87 wrote:well yeah....that is bad. i admit some of mine have crappy editing but when i put my mind to it i do an alright job.




100% same with me if you want a good example of lip sync search for: The "Shaving"

The lip synce is good put at one point there was lip flap but it wasnt meant to even be an attmemt to make lip flap or lip synce

lol advertising in this thread is kinda tactless
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Postby Free Your Mind » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:24 pm

celibi87 wrote:
Free Your Mind wrote:
celibi87 wrote:well yeah....that is bad. i admit some of mine have crappy editing but when i put my mind to it i do an alright job.




100% same with me if you want a good example of lip sync search for: The "Shaving"

The lip synce is good put at one point there was lip flap but it wasnt meant to even be an attmemt to make lip flap or lip synce

lol advertising in this thread is kinda tactless



lol

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Oh S***!!!!!!

By reading what I wrote about that AMV's lip sync my brain blow up like a Nuclear Power plant....now I got radiation poisening some how....

*grows Bald eagle wings and 2 more arms and 2 more legs*
*drops dead*
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Postby celibi87 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:30 pm

*shakes head* calm down man......you are gonn aget famous as the idiot who is spamming each thread to get his video out. Not a good way to start out.
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Postby Bakadeshi » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:41 pm

Adv1sor wrote:My main problems with the sentimental AMVs are that they usually just try to copy a sentimental scene or story from the anime. If you are not familiar with the anime then you won’t get what’s going on. If you are familiar with the anime then it’s unlikely that a 3 minute AMV is going to have more emotional impact than the anime story itself.


umm... your forgetting one major important factor that AMVs have over watching the original source.... the music. One of the nice things about some sentimental amvs is seeing a song thats not originally for the Anime source it used, coupled with it and accentuating it so well that it sometimes gives a better impression and mood than the original scene in the anime itself did. Theres also ideas that combine multiple anime sources that have the same mood and sentimental feel and putting them to such a song aswell, Take Vlad's Memories Dance for example. Then there's also the fact that the AMV (when done right anyway) usually condenses the more memorial scenes in 3-5 minutes, giving you enough nastolgia of your favorite Anime rather than having to watch the entire 24 episode series again. As you can tell, I like me a good sentimental AMV ^^

As for the original topic at hand, I to use lipflap for the purpose of the video alot, and it does not bother me when its done profesionally. WHen it looks bad to me is if the mouth is flapping too fast and/or too much for the particular scene. Sometimes I actually spend more time editing lipflap to look better than it would've taken me to just paste a closed mouth over the scene because it would just look too static otherwise. Most times when I do this though, there is another character on the screen, or in the scene (possibly in the next scene of the amv or something) giving the impression that he/she is talking to someone, not to the viewer. You just have to know how to work it so it doesn't look tacky.
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Postby celibi87 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:55 pm

to do it professionally is not getting out to a lot of ppl. (me for example) when u cant afford the stuff to make it non flappy.
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