The AMV half-hour show on the Anime Network

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Postby rubyeye » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:00 pm

The concensus is pretty much what I figured:

~ Great Idea ... BUT ... legal rights and money would be an issue.

At the very best, since the network is still in it's infancy, they could intersparse amvs between programs much like Cartoon Network does with those montage videos.

Using anime they already have the license for would not be a problem and more than likely what they would use. Anime soundtracks would also be a better source at the moment since ADV has also been releasing anime music CDs.

As for the acknowledgement of AMVs in general: Just look at the first issue of NEWTYPE USA (also published by ADV) ~ under the section called "Web Watch", there is a post to the web site - A NEWBIE's GUIDE TO ANIME MUISIC VIDEO MAKING (http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~mcantoni/m ... index.html)

That's a pretty strong indication that they acknowledge, and encourage, the creation of amvs since they put it in Print!!
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Postby Rozard » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:09 pm

Hmm...I briefly looked through the newest issue I could find and I didnt' see that. I guess I'll have to go back tomorrow and actually read it :)

I think a way will be found to skirt the money issue. Maybe skirt isn't the right word, more like "solve the problem of the exchange of money." As it is right now, none of us are making money off of our videos. I don't see why we should receive any if they aired on TV. Also, we could have the commercials for the show be of the artists/anime that were in the videos played that episode. Or perhaps we could run the program like public access, depending upon the donation of the viewers to keep it on the air. All proceeds will go to maintaining the show, and nothing will be pocketed my ADV. Hell, some would be redirected to the artists, both musical and graphical. How does that sound?

Like the old saying goes, if there's a will, there's a way. I'm sure if we all wanted this bad enough, and we were willing to work towards it, we could find some way to get AMVs on the television, while keeping the RIAA and anime creators happy.
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Postby RichLather » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:11 pm

These are nice thoughts, but any handful of lawyers could stomp it flat in a heartbeat. There are simply too many issues at hand, and too many rights holders to be consulted and hold their hands out for payment. What good is a commercial if the artists involved have no commercials to air, or if the anime used has no American license?

Any one of them could say "no" and the whole thing collapses like a house of cards. It is too much of a hassle for a fledgling network--which has yet to get on the air--to concern itself with.

Perhaps someday in the future an AMV show as part of a cable network's programming could happen, but I do not see it happening anytime soon. It is a legal Gordian knot.

AMVs, their fans and their creators must content themselves for the time being with their semi-underground status.
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Postby ZeWrestler » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:31 pm

when did they announce that they are starting an anime network. and would it show only their stuff or others as well??
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Postby RichLather » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:37 pm

One would assume that since it's ADV's baby, they'll get first crack at the programming choices as well (after all, they've got rights to it already, it's a slam-dunk to show it). I have no idea what kind of wrangling would be necessary to show other companies' products or other currently unlicensed shows (I'd love to see Star Blazers on TV again).

That said, I still want to know if they plan to show stuff uncut, or if it must be edited for television.
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Postby jbone » Thu Nov 07, 2002 7:04 pm

Chaos Angel wrote:However, JBone, we are not talking fair use, we are talking about obtaining permission for the videos which, while being unholy amounts of difficult, is possible. Only airing withOUT permission would violate copyrights.

In order for permission to be granted, the distributors would need to admit, "Oh, yeah, we've known about this all along, and we like it." Which they can't do, because what's being done is illegal.
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Postby Chaos Angel » Thu Nov 07, 2002 7:58 pm

jbone wrote:In order for permission to be granted, the distributors would need to admit, "Oh, yeah, we've known about this all along, and we like it." Which they can't do, because what's being done is illegal.


-I'm sure there's some legal loophole they could exploit.

But, yeah that would be an issue. Kind of like admitting that you knew your neighbor was running a prostitution ring the whole time.

Ok, maybe not that extreme, but the same basic principle applies. Admitting you knew what was going on isn't necessarily a good or smart idea.
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Postby Rozard » Fri Nov 08, 2002 12:36 am

RichLather, I realize my idea isn't an unsinkable battleship, but it's just a thought I had. We could modify my idea, or propose another idea about how we could work with this. I agree with you; this isn't going to happen overnight, or even in a year. But if we want this happen, why not trying to make the first steps now?

I'm sure some one here has to be a laywer, or is at least the son or daughter/friend/spouce/client of one. Obviously this won't turn out like David and Goliath, but we can gather more rocks and sharpen them :) (Please disregard that ¬¬ )
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Postby Dannywilson » Fri Nov 08, 2002 12:50 am

I don't know about y'all, but I don't particularly savor the rain of holy hell that would rain down on all of our heads if ever word of this community ever got out to some retarded music maker or one of their lawyers who got it into his head that they could be the next Metallica/Napster situation. I personally love this site and applaud Phade for having the time and patience to keep it running. This site is basically a legal house of cards, and I don't want to see it knocked down.

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Postby Gene Starwind 21122 » Fri Nov 08, 2002 3:10 pm

When can this be order? Through what companies can you get the Anime Network. This seems like it is going to great. Anime Music Videos. Nothing but true anime.
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The channel's going to die

Postby EarthCurrent » Sat Nov 09, 2002 2:39 pm

Well, I guess an AMV show would work if you could get legal rights for the song and were using anime that ADV has rights to. Currently, I have yet to hear of any other North American Anime companies throwing in with ADV on this Anime Channel idea.

I know Manga Ent won't join up with them as there has been bad blood between the two companies since the whole "Ninja Resurection/Ninja Scroll Sequel" debacle that ADV did a few years back, and it seems to have resurged with the recent Newtype Evangelion review. Unless that is resolved any Manga Ent. titles won't be available for AMVs.

Pioneer and Bandai especially, seem to be working well with Cartoon Network so I doubt they would have much interest in the channel unless the money was right.

Media Blasters, TOKYOPOP, SynchPoint, and a few of the other smaller companies be willing to work with ADV, but at the same time, ADV's ego might make any sort of long term arrangements between these companies short lived.

Personally, I think the channel is going to bomb, not that I want it too, but I just have the feeling that the niche it is trying to fill is to small and the advertising dollars aren't going to show up to support the channel.
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