When should a newbie no longer be called a newbie?

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Postby Insight » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:37 pm

But which kind of Newbie are we discussing?
The kind that has just recently come to the board?
The kind that has just recently begun making videos?
Or the kind that has only just recently gotten into anime, having progressed no further than the likes of Pokemon, or DBZ, or Sailor Moon?

((Not that I have anything against those animes, per se...I'm just saying, those are usually the "springboards" of American fans. It gets them into anime, and then they go on to search even more. Someone who's knowledge of anime is limited to those three...well...is very limited indeed.))

As for the first one (about just joining), I'd tend to agree. I can think of a few examples of the case when a newbie is someone who's been at a certain board for years, and a pro is someone who just got there yesterday. [I speak of a different board then this (Excelsis, specifically), but I won't name names. n_n;;]

As for making videos, well, a "pro-newbie" I'd find rarer...though a "newbie-pro" probably a bit easier to find. People can be just naturals at making music videos...still, the making of them seems like it'd be something of a "skill" that's acquired with effort and experience. Of course, some people never progress...::shrugs:: At any rate, having never made one myself, my speculations in this area shouldn't proceed much furthur.

As for the last one...well, once they stop trying to justify Dragon Ball Z as having an actual deep and creative thought...then that's at least a step.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:54 pm

Depends on what its noobdom of. AMV creating? Anime? Video in general?
There are different 'noob' and 'pro' stages of each. But each also affect the other. Someone could make a technically and artistically perfect Sailor Moon video and be a n00b because their anime experience is SM and DBZ (god willing).
A person can make a bad AMV but have 235 anime DVDs and double that number of XviD backups and be a n00b.
A person can make a great AMV with the most diverse amount of source footage in the world and it could be an interlaced mess with some weird resolution like 312 x 466 and be encoded in wmv8 and they're a n00b.
Depends on how much experience you have with anime, with video, and creativity. But creativity (in the context of how good amv ideas are) is really very hard to measure, so generally we use # of videos created or at least # of experiences editing as a watermark.
I was a n00b last november when I had made 1 music video with tenchi, sailor moon, and eva sources using sony's movieshaker.
Now i've made about 4 videos, could write a 20 page paper on the difference between rgb, yuy2 and yuy12, and have an anime collection that fills a bookshelf.
A year ago I was a n00b
now I'm not

at least thats my opinion :/
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:55 pm

curse you insight and your posting before me >:O
good points ;O
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Postby Insight » Sat Nov 02, 2002 11:08 pm

::grins:: Gomen nasai?

Arigatou Gozaimas', though!
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Postby SarahtheBoring » Sat Nov 02, 2002 11:13 pm

I'm in the "the better question is, who cares?" camp...
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Postby The Wired Knight » Sat Nov 02, 2002 11:36 pm

When you've shot your first man then I'll call you a soldier.

In short, make an AMV that generally isn't viewed as crap with countless errors (I mean gross ones such as subtitles and unecessary fancy transitions, stupid flying bird)
BANG

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Postby Alucard_FoN » Sun Nov 03, 2002 12:03 am

_faerie_ wrote:50 posts and a amv


I'm screwed. No matter how many posts I get, I don't make AMV's, so I shall forever be called a newb.
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Postby Stryker » Sun Nov 03, 2002 9:31 am

:shock: damn, I never expected so many good replies to this...ok, where to start ... :D

jonmartensen: nice set of answers. That seems to be a good set of criteria.

Sub0: now that's insteresting answer.

Insight & RadicalEd0 : those are both very deep replies. I enjoyed reading them.

And to all the others that have replied to this wanting to help, thanx.
I now have enough information to figure out my questions. once again thanx.
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Postby mexicanjunior » Sun Nov 03, 2002 12:02 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:I'm in the "the better question is, who cares?" camp...


Agreed...
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Postby Koopiskeva » Sun Nov 03, 2002 12:31 pm

i think it's when you've mastered the use of ..

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.... then umm... something about amv and deals err.. stuff.. :?
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Postby Insight » Sun Nov 03, 2002 4:46 pm

Thanks!


Koopiskeva wrote:i think it's when you've mastered the use of ..

:O



.... then umm... something about amv and deals err.. stuff.. :?



::grins:: Dunno about that...if you know how to do it, and do it excessively just for the sake of being irritating...I don't think I could call you a pro. ^_~ Still, thank yas for showing me how. n_n
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sun Nov 03, 2002 10:25 pm

ahh, reminds me of the great golden age of spam and my days as a young jedi spammer
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Postby Lyrs » Mon Nov 04, 2002 8:54 am

Newb:

"i have no clue what anime is"
"I have no clue on what an AMV is"
"I have a life"
"This is cool, eva and dbz so rucks"

Pro:

"I know anime..."
"I have messed around with amv clips"
"I remember a thing called life"
"I hate how people are always doing eva and dbz videos"

thankyou.

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Postby paizuri » Mon Nov 04, 2002 12:06 pm

What I want to know is, why does it matter? Why do people feel the need to make a distinction between a "newbie" and someone who isn't? If you are new to something, then you will be a "newbie" and there's no shame in that, but eventually you will learn enough and not be one. Or you won't and will forever be a newbie.

But even if you do learn a few things here and there, that doesn't allow you to ignore other people's arguments. Does being a "pro" confer special skills and insights that "newbies" will never have? Does it make you a better person? I don't think so. It'd be better if we all just ignored these labels and treated people on a case-by-case basis instead of attributing characteristics to them that they have not displayed. Because calling people newbies and treating them badly is prejudice, plain and simple.
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Postby MCWagner » Mon Nov 04, 2002 12:32 pm

There is a good side of a label like "newbie," although it isn't used that frequently. "Newbies" are the people who might need a little explanation when talking about editing systems, codecs, contest submission guidelines, etc. Being recognized as a "newbie" skips the steps inbetween "question" and "answer" where a bunch of helpful people send along advice that whizzes straight over the head of the requester, and the requester has to declare "uh..guys? I'm really new at this. Could you please explain this in more detail?" It gives people in conversation a better idea of what a person might have seen/heard in our hobby, and you can talk with them on that level.

So, essentially, you're no longer a "newbie" when you don't feel like you need this extra level of help.
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