When should a newbie no longer be called a newbie?

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When should a newbie no longer be called a newbie?

Postby Stryker » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:01 pm

This is a question that has bugged me for a while now. At what point in a newbie's life is he no longer a newbie? Is there a right of passage that the creator must complete? Is it the number of videos completed, The average quailty of the videos, the numbers of contest won, The number of post in the forum, Number of Cons that this creator has been too, or overall time that they've been a AMV creator ?

What is it that makes a person now longer a newbie? And I want to know where in this massive community of creators do I stand... I already know that I'm a unknown, I just wana know if I'm a unknown newbie or a unknown pro? :?

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Postby _faerie_ » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:09 pm

50 posts and a amv
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Postby Stryker » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:17 pm

ehhhh, for some reason I figured it would be a little deeper than that. :?
But, I'll keep that in mind and see what everyone else thinks. Thanx.
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Postby trythil » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:25 pm

What difference does it make if you're a "newbie" or a "pro"?
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Postby Stryker » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:33 pm

Mostly for me it's the principal of it, But I do think this is a question that should be answered, in one way or another. So maybe future newbies could look back to this and know what to aim for. I mean it's not like you can just snap a finger and say. I'm a pro, or He's a newbie. It's not that simple, almost nothing is that simple.
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Postby trythil » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:40 pm

To be a pedant:

The moment you've seriously tried to make an AMV, you're no longer inexperienced in the AMV craft and are therefore no longer a newbie.

I'm pretty sure (1) very few of us get paid to do AMVs and (2) AMVing is something which requires specialized knowledge and a lot of time, so either almost nobody or everybody is a pro.

I'm sure that that came across as being indecisive and useless, so here's another point of view:

Future newbies can just say "gee, this looks cool, I'll try it out", then make a video, say "omfg that sux0rz" and try again, say "omfg that sux0rz" and try again, say "omfg that sux0rz" and try again, and so on. When they think they know what they doing, they think and be pro, for great justice.
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Postby Insight » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:44 pm

Varies from person to person, I think. Possibly when you can look at their music videos and see less cliches then the number you can count on two hands. Cliches, I think, are different from mistakes, because once a newbie slowly becomes "accustomed" to seeing a bunch of different music videos, what works, what doesn't, and what's been done a million different times by a million different people, that's when they seek to be more creative. Once they succeed...well, then, I think that's when they've made the switch (or are in the process of making it) from "newbie" to "pro."
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Postby Stryker » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:54 pm

trythil : Good answer, I've been serious about my vidoes from number 2 out, but I still belive it's deep than just that.

Insight: That's also true, but as you said "Varies from person to person, I think." So one person's pro may be a newbie in another's eye.

I'm feeling more enlightened, but I still would like further insight(no pun intended). About this.

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Postby Sub0 » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:06 pm

when he earns it. then of coarse, once not a noob, you can become a noob again ;-p it all depends on how idiotic you make yourself look
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Postby FirestormXIII » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:09 pm

When they stop worrying whether they're a n00b or not anymore.














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Postby Insight » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:15 pm

FirestormXIII wrote:When they stop worrying whether they're a n00b or not anymore


:P


I dunno. Some people get really self-conscious, some people don't care.
And to some extent, I've realized, what I said could be unapplicable. I've never made a AMV myself, but a friend's pressuring me to do so. I'm gonna try and do something original, yet should I succeed in this, I would certainly still classify myself as a newbie.
Dang. I hate to sound like I'm proving my anti-Relativism quote wrong. Still, there are some things that have no set answer. I think this is one of them. I think it does come down to exactly what you said, Stryker... one person's pro is another's newbie. I guess when the general majority feels a certain way?


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Postby Nappy » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:22 pm

how about, when you stop asking basic (how to) questions and start answering them.
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Postby Stryker » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:35 pm

Sub0 : And when would that be ? what is that moment or criteria that the creator earns it? That is what I am asking, and I'll always make myself look like a idiot. That's just one of my special skills. :roll:

FirestormXIII: It's not that I worry about it, I just ponder it from time to time, like all of life's little questions. Perhaps it all revolves around the fact that I'm never happy with my end product, no matter the quailty of it, even to other people. Always seeing my best as inferior to all that I have seen. Oh well , it's that little thing that keeps driving me to work harder on my vids. :twisted:


Insight : Once again, a good point. and I'm self-conscious every now and then, it's the whole reason that this thread got started.

Nappy: very good answer, but even a pro might ask a how-to question to another. may not be basic , but still a question. So I belive that there is more to it.


Perhaps I'm trying to hard to find reason and rhyme to this? *shrugs*...Don't know, but I need to call it a night before this thread causes me lack of sleep :? Thanx for all the thoughts on this thread :)
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Postby jonmartensen » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:18 pm

No longer noob

1. When you start to (or are at least able to) answer questions that people who are new to the whole AMV thing ask

2. Make at least one vid, perferably more

3. The Vids weren't total and utter crap :D i.e. don't get all lower than 3's on reviews

Pro

1. Can answer and help troubleshoot almost any question about video settings and editing.

2. Can't be judged on # of vids

3. People refere to their vids as if the creator was a god :D and use them to set the standards for what a really good video should look like.

P.S. this is not thought out, I just typed it up as it came to me.



Has to meet all criteria though, someone may not be a "pro" but with creative ablility they can create really awsome videos with effort.
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Postby Sub0 » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:28 pm

I have a sig in another forum that says 'only maniacs (insert noobs, teachers here) expect answers to questions'. The difference btwn a noob asking a question and a pro asking is that the noob thinks he deserves to be answered while a pro can get along by himself, an answer would just speed things up hes not gonna complain about it (bump) or demand an answer. There's nothing more annoying than a noob. Then again I am one of those ppl that don't give a sh@t (therefore don't ask 'asl'-type questions) :twisted: .

But your question is about newbs... I don't beleive in them ;-p. A person could have 1 post and be more pro than the guy that started the board. (not in this case of coarse ;-p)

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