Opinion score relativity

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Opinion score relativity

Postby Hax » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:28 am

Should opinion scores be relative to other AMVs or to what is physically possible?

Since that's a bit cryptic, let me give my example. I recently reviewed an AMV, and the video quality was VHS. However, it didn't look that bad for VHS, and I'm 99% sure that this particular anime was never released on DVD.

Should I have given him a high score for doing what they could with it? Or are they doomed to a low video score even though there's nothing they could do about it
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Postby Infinity Squared » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:44 am

Hmm... interesting dilema.

Well, for such a situation, I would probably have to have known that such extenuating circumstances exist. Otherwise, automatically I would have judged it based on what is already available and what I have seen.

But if you think about it, the video quality score is very much just dependant on what you see right there and then (objectively speaking anyway). Therefore, we are suppose to make up our minds based only on the evidence on hand, no matter the circumstances present.

In the end, I doubt I'll score it any extra higher based on knowing that fact, as oppose to what I think it deserves in terms of comparing it to other video qualities.
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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:41 am

You should score for visual quality only on what you see. Explain it in the op if it makes you feel better. And if you know that it is VHS-source and it looks good for being VHS-source, you can honor this in effort.
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Postby ssj4lonewolf » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:29 am

good point thats how it should be. vhs quality should be based on vhs standards.
Oh god, that black dude with the afro is always making those damn trash ass music hip hop amvs...he needs to do something with techno or rock....
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:30 pm

A good question... Sure even if the score would not be the top that work should surely have some plus for the effort for what they done.
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Postby lilgumba » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:05 pm

Lately I haven't really ran into that problem but I know when I first came here there were videos that were done two vcr instead of on the computer. You go through different techniques so things can't always look the same. I try to take into consideration how the video was made if possible when giving an opinion. I guess you could semi compare this to a person who uses movie maker 1 vs premiere or something. I knew that movie maker 1 would not be as good as premiere (usually) so I try to take that into account especially with compression issues. I guess I'm saying I am treating them like apples, pineapples, and oranges. They all fall into the fruit category but they are technically different.
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Postby FoxJones » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:18 am

I would score it as a VHS-source. Meaning that if it's good quality even though one can clearly see it's from a VHS source I'd give it about 8 or even a 9, when same level quality DVD-source AMV would be 6 or most likely 7.
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Postby madbunny » Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:59 pm

Score the video based on what you see. It's up to the creator to put forth what they consider to be the cleanest version that they can. You can always give them points in effort or overall to offset it.

If you want to compare one video to another, then you're just making it more complicated than it has to be. For example; we don't have a separate score for fansubs -vs- DVD either.
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Postby Al'x » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:19 pm

Take off points if it looks worse than a DVD even though it is a VHS.

After all, you wouldn't be more generous if you could tell it was a fansub, or less generous if you could tell it was an HD-DVD.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:19 pm

madbunny wrote:Score the video based on what you see. It's up to the creator to put forth what they consider to be the cleanest version that they can. You can always give them points in effort or overall to offset it.

If you want to compare one video to another, then you're just making it more complicated than it has to be. For example; we don't have a separate score for fansubs -vs- DVD either.


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Everyone has his way to judge this is clear, but mines as I said before coincide with madbunny's, the score quality will be low or high depending on what I see in the moment without think in the source, Then I'll see what the source and the work they done can give in others categories. =)
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Postby godix » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:32 pm

I agree that if the video looks bad then it should get a low video quality score. Just because you know why it looks bad doesn't change the fact it does. However you might consider modifying the effort score. Someone who used a DVD and only managed to get VHS type quality would certainly deserve a lower effort score than someone who tried to make their VHS source look as good as they could.
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Postby older_gohan » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:19 am

That's the problem if the person did their best with what they had you can't condemn them for it. They did best and obviously someone else couldn't do any better. So if they could only use VHS and they made it look as best as possible then it deserves a high score.

Saying that if it doesn't look as good as dvd quality is quite biased. Sure it's not going to look as good and infact probably never will but they did make it look their best.

Second I think AMV's should be graded on what certain things they have. Never tell a AMV maker they used the wrong song because according to them they did. Now sound quality, editing, and sync are important but saying that they should of used more effects, better clips, and a more original song is just wrong. They did with what they have. I've made most of my AMV's with movie maker and you can yell at me for it being out of sync cause I could of made it more in sync. But don't tell me to use more effects. I had no intention nor will I ever of using more effects. The video was intended to be made how it was. Go with what they have, not with what you want them to have.
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Postby madbunny » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:26 am

older_gohan wrote:That's the problem if the person did their best with what they had you can't condemn them for it. They did best and obviously someone else couldn't do any better. So if they could only use VHS and they made it look as best as possible then it deserves a high score.

Well, no. There are subjective and objective elements to grading. the subjctive stuff like effort and reviewability are obviously going to vary from person to person, and change depending on your mood. Objective elements like video, and sound quality are pretty static. You pick a bar and compare everything to that bar. So the video footage can't be made to look as good or better than your chosen reference? Then you mark it down. It doesn't seem that complicated; judge what you see.

I'm not saying that video quality is the end all of videos (although it is a pretty big part), there have been videos that have absolutely abysmal quality that I still found myself liking for various reasons. I'm only saying that you should try to be consistent with the way that you grade videos.


older gohan wrote: Go with what they have, not with what you want them to have.

Er... yes. I sort of thought that was the point.
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Postby older_gohan » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:49 am

But the problem is if they could only use VHS you can't expect dvd quality. the fact remains you'll never get it. So you have to change the bar to what their video player is capable of outputting. If they use windows movie maker what's the best one you've seen? Use that as the bar.

Don't compare a windows movie maker video to a higher end movie maker cause your never going to get what you expect.

Eh either way like was said so many times grade what you see not what you wanted to see.
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