Should you be allowed to delete your own video?

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Should you be allowed to delete your own video?

Postby Pyle » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:02 pm

I've been denied requests in the past to delete my own video, because "We want to list every video ever created." However, I DID NOT WANT people to see this video. I vote yes.
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Postby Zarxrax » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:14 pm

If you did not want people to see this video, then why the hell did you upload it?
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Postby Tash » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:15 pm

It doesn't really help anyone because who wants to see bad videos from the past. What was in the video you wanted deleted? :p
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Re: Should you be allowed to delete your own video?

Postby Kusoyaro » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:16 pm

Pyle wrote:I've been denied requests in the past to delete my own video, because "We want to list every video ever created." However, I DID NOT WANT people to see this video. I vote yes.


I think the point is that if somebody comes across some random AMV one day, they can come here and look it up.

If you're talking about deleting Local files, there's like a two-page disclaimer you have to read before you can proceed to an upload...if you change your mind later, too bad I guess :?
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Postby Pyle » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:49 pm

Nobody ever answers the actual question. They just bitch at me for daring to ask it.
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Postby paizuri » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:52 pm

Because if we gave the users the ability to delete files off the local server at will, there is nothing to prevent unscrupulous people from abusing our free hosting by posting whatever files they feel like on this site.
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Postby Pyle » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:53 pm

Thank yooouuu :!:
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Postby Castor Troy » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:56 pm

Beowulf wrote:WHAT THE FUCK WHY DOES YOUR SIG GO TO MY PROFILE. GBLKJNERTG;NSRGBSHRT;JWH


You're the 100thsomething person to fall for that. :lol:
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Postby Arigatomina » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:54 pm

paizuri wrote:Because if we gave the users the ability to delete files off the local server at will, there is nothing to prevent unscrupulous people from abusing our free hosting by posting whatever files they feel like on this site.

Do you mean being able to delete a file would encourage people to upload bad files? Like, upload it for a day and hurry and delete it before it gets caught? If that's the scare, then you shouldn't have to worry about it now that they have free sites that let you upload files and hand out the link for a few days. Anyone who uploaded something for longer than that on the local server would get caught and have his uploading privileges removed.

I think we should be able to delete a local file once - if we upload a new file and then want to delete that, it would go through a request like it does now. Anyone who wanted to use the local server as a storage for short-lived files can just make a new account each time he wants to upload his file - keep it there till he's caught, and then make a new account and do it again. Being able to delete his files wouldn't make any difference to him. But like I said, there are free websites now that let you upload any file (without the 100mb limit) for a few days of downloading. There's less reason for potential file spammers to use the org.

If you want to prevent the server from being abused, you'd need to moniter the files being uploaded - an 'upload request'. A file being taken down shouldn't be a problem, it's the things being uploaded and hosted that need watched.

As it is, though, I see no reason for a deletion request to be denied unless the person is a suspected file-spammer. You know who requested the deletion, so you can watch to make sure they don't abuse the system. If deletion requests were accepted (as long as the person isn't a suspect), people wouldn't need or ask for free reign to delete files on their own.

An alternative would be to have an option to make a video permanently unavailable. Not deleted so much as undownloadable. Then the video is still part of the catalog, you don't have to worry that the person will replace it with an illegal file, and the creator doesn't have to share a video he no longer wants to share. This would let the creator keep rights to his video if he changes his mind about sharing it, and the site can go on as if the video is still there (because it is still there, it's just not available for download).
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Postby godix » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:39 pm

I'd actually agree, there are several local vids of mine I'd like to delete. The video profile itself can stay but I'd like to make the video itself unavalable.

For the concern of using the org like a transfer point that'd be fairly easily dealt with a couple ways. You could keep it so all deletions must be approved by admins, giving someone a chance to actually look at what the file being deleted is, but allow 'because I think it sucks' as a valid reason to request deletions. If that'd make the admins job too time consuming then put a time limit on it, a file that can't be deleted for six months after uploading would give plenty of time for someone to stumble into it if there was a problem.

Zarx: Some of the videos I want to delete just plain suck. I didn't realize it when I made it and uploaded it but I'm fully well aware of it now. There's also one 'remix' in my profile that has one minor scene change (as in I doubt anyone would even catch it unless they were specifically looking for it), a bit better timing, and corrected audio speed. Because of org rules both the original and remix are avalable for local but for all practical intents they're the same video with only a few trivial differences. Does that explain why there are videos in my profile I would like to make unavalable?

And just out of curiosity, has anyone else noticed that you can request a deletion to upload a better quality version then just never upload anything after the admins delete it? Not that I'm suggesting anything, just making an observation.
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Postby Samurai Drifter » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:56 pm

There was one time when I actually accidentally logged into someone else's account and didn't realize it wasn't mine until I'd entered a vid. I didn't actually upload it, but it was still a pain in the ass. I'd have to vote in favor of being able to delete videos.

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I'd also like to be able to edit posts... :?
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Postby devilmaykickass » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:23 pm

godix wrote:I'd actually agree, there are several local vids of mine I'd like to delete. The video profile itself can stay but I'd like to make the video itself unavalable.

Yes.
Samurai Drifter wrote:I'd also like to be able to edit posts...

And yes.
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Postby Moonlight Soldier » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:07 pm

arigatoumina wrote:An alternative would be to have an option to make a video permanently unavailable. Not deleted so much as undownloadable.


I'd like that option.

Actually I thought it was possible since there's a lot of old videos with 'NO' [in the download options]...soo....how'd that come to be?
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Postby Scintilla » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:02 am

Moonlight Soldier wrote:Actually I thought it was possible since there's a lot of old videos with 'NO' [in the download options]...soo....how'd that come to be?

Easy: they never uploaded it in the first place.

The local video server only came around in 2003 (shortly after my join date), after all.
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Postby derobert » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:32 pm

godix wrote:And just out of curiosity, has anyone else noticed that you can request a deletion to upload a better quality version then just never upload anything after the admins delete it? Not that I'm suggesting anything, just making an observation.
Suffice it to say that if someone were to make a habit of that, all their future delete requests would go to /dev/null.

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