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Lazy, arrogant opinions

Postby Arcane Azmadi » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:34 pm

We've all got them (well, most of us anyway)- AMV opinions of just a few words, usually something along the lines of "GOOD: everything", "BAD: nothing" "GENERAL: awesome amv loved the idea". Lazy, but you can't really hate them, they usually give all 9s and 10s. But I got an op the other day with a scores ranging from 5-7, an overall of 6 and the only comment was "Needs no explanation". What a fucktart! Being strict is OK (the scores were extremely strict but could still plausibly be applied to our AMV if your standards are high enough) but to not give any actual feedback and then act as if your scoring is obvious (implying the AMV obviously doesn't deserve any better) is the height of arrogance. It's seriously brought down the average of the AMV (which only has 3 ops, the other two have markedly higher scores) and has me spitting chips.

Doesn't this just piss you off when this happens?
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Re: Lazy, arrogant opinions

Postby bum » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:37 pm

Arcane Azmadi wrote:We've all got them (well, most of us anyway)- AMV opinions of just a few words, usually something along the lines of "GOOD: everything", "BAD: nothing" "GENERAL: awesome amv loved the idea". Lazy, but you can't really hate them, they usually give all 9s and 10s.


Oh yes I can :twisted:
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Postby x_rex30 » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:40 pm

This reminds me of people who bitch about people who don't give opinions when there so easy to give. I'd give more opinions but peoples standards are too high. It's like they expect me to write essay long ops.. | :
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Postby devilmaykickass » Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:06 am

Well if you give all 10's and no real explination I don't see it as a huge deal but if you give me 1's and 2's I better damn well get an explination as to why...which on one of my videos still hasn't been explained. -__-
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Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:49 am

I think that part of the problem tends to be that people don't all work from the same scale.

If you read the number markers in an opinion, it says that 5 is average. Therefore, if you get even a six or a seven, you should be happy, no? Well, most people don't actually utilize the 1-10 range. I know I don't.

Personally, I don't like having that big of a range to work with, because it makes it harder to tell what a "good" score is. I tend to use 5-10 as a 1-5 kind of scale. Therefore, if I give a 5 on any score (except Re-viewable, where I do utilize the 1-10), it means you sucked. It was the worst it could be. So, it's not always uncommon to see me give out nines and tens to people. I'm not doing it to overinflate their scores. I'm just doing it because that's what works best for me scale-wise, and it seems like most of the site thinks that way as well.

However, not every member of the site works that way. There are several that do use the 1-10 range. Why? Well, it's because that's what we're actually supposed to be doing.

So, in a roundabout way, what I'm trying to say is this: if the guy gave you a six for Overall, maybe it's because he interprets six as being above average - exactly what the scoreboard says it is, technically.

Of course, he could just be a fucktart. You never know. ^_~


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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:03 am

devilmaykickass wrote:Well if you give all 10's and no real explination I don't see it as a huge deal but if you give me 1's and 2's I better damn well get an explination as to why...

Exact. The lower the score is, the more explaination is necessary. It doesn't matter how obvious it is for the reviewer. It mus also become clear to the reviewed.
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Postby Resk » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:22 am

yeah, I've run into this a lot too. Normally, as you said, they give a few words and high marks. But the other day, I got one that had three words, and all 7s except for two categories. Now, I wouldn't have minded the 7s, except that his comments were about only one of the categories, which he gave an 8.

I understand that people don't want to write essays for opinions. But I think it's just unfair to the videos you're reviewing to give lousy, ratehr incomplete opinions. You don't have to leave an opinion, but if you click that button, be prepared to write a paragraph or two about the video. A paragraph, it's all that long, and takes 5 minutes to write. I think, for at least most of us who are seeking opinions, that is all we're looking for.

Of course, it will differ between editors (I prefer long opinions to no opinion at all), but although we don't like short, incomplete opinions, the chances of us doing anything about it are slim :(
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Postby Zarxrax » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:30 pm

I recently got an all 5's opinion, where the author said if I give him straight 10s, he would change my score to straight 10's. He also made sure to point out that this wasn't blackmail.
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Postby devilmaykickass » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:45 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I recently got an all 5's opinion, where the author said if I give him straight 10s, he would change my score to straight 10's. He also made sure to point out that this wasn't blackmail.

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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:00 pm

Many people actually do not know what "Opinion" mean. True :roll:
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Postby devilmaykickass » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:13 pm

Michele wrote:Many people actually do not know what "Opinion" mean. True :roll:

You mean just like alot of people don't know what context is?
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Postby paizuri » Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:38 pm

Zarxrax wrote:I recently got an all 5's opinion, where the author said if I give him straight 10s, he would change my score to straight 10's. He also made sure to point out that this wasn't blackmail.


Yeah, I'd call it extortion.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:43 pm

devilmaykickass wrote:
Michele wrote:Many people actually do not know what "Opinion" mean. True :roll:

You mean just like alot of people don't know what context is?


Exactly. As you said, if someone submit an op with several high scores without say nothing, it's not that unfair, as that person wanted to congrat him/herself with you but it's by Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr too lazy to even write something. At least, they took 15 seconds of their time to op your video, and in the end is something that is possible to appreciate. Even if context is always what opinion means. An opinion should be what anyone think about something, and rarely this means a comment of 2 to 5 words. The opinions on the site also exists for feedback, though, so they exist to let people critic other's works, to criticize their jobs, for show their opinions about what's wrong "here and there", and also what they loved. Of course, an op with 1s and 2s, without comments, it's something like think "thanks man you helped a lot", an opinion with 1s and 2s with criticism that make even that ONE something with sense, it's quite different, even if probably a "wtf" is inevitable. :)
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Postby Sorkuri » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:28 pm

so i'm new at this site and i haven't posted a video yet (still struggling with my first {mumbles curses}) so i don't know what it feels like to get a bum review and the like or a good one for that matter. But i can say, once i start posting video's i would like at least slightly detailed reveiw to know what i did good or wht to improve on. So there it is, my input to this thread :wink:
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Re: Lazy, arrogant opinions

Postby Knowname » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:40 pm

Arcane Azmadi wrote:We've all got them (well, most of us anyway)- AMV opinions of just a few words, usually something along the lines of "GOOD: everything", "BAD: nothing" "GENERAL: awesome amv loved the idea". Lazy, but you can't really hate them, they usually give all 9s and 10s. But I got an op the other day with a scores ranging from 5-7, an overall of 6 and the only comment was "Needs no explanation". What a fucktart! Being strict is OK (the scores were extremely strict but could still plausibly be applied to our AMV if your standards are high enough) but to not give any actual feedback and then act as if your scoring is obvious (implying the AMV obviously doesn't deserve any better) is the height of arrogance. It's seriously brought down the average of the AMV (which only has 3 ops, the other two have markedly higher scores) and has me spitting chips.

Doesn't this just piss you off when this happens?


no only you :twisted: look buddy it was you first amv out of 4, most ppl don't want to hear regurgitated comments about their first amv when they have other stuff that has since improved. That is what 'needs no explanation' means. I'm sure it was a misunderstanding but you yourself says it sucks, I don't see what your being so defensive about. Yes I have and use 2 screan names.
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