is anyone else concerned about the RIAA's recent activity?

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is anyone else concerned about the RIAA's recent activity?

Postby khyron » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:36 am

I was just scanning my usual morning blogs today and came across this story reported in a number of places:

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/26/ri ... _mach.html

Essentially, the RIAA forced a machinima site to shut down - the largest one I know of. There was no warning, just all of a sudden fans woke up and their site wasn't there. While I hope this is temporary and the RPGFilms folks get themselves a lawyer who understands the word parody (as it relates to fair use doctrine) this concerns me a great deal...

...what would we all do if AMV was gone from the 'net one morning? What if we could never congregate here and swap videos again?

I don't mean to be an alarmist, but given the precedent of a machinima (not all that different than what we do) crackdown, which as far as I know is a first for the RIAA, should we begin to be concerned about what may come next?

What steps can this community take to be prepared, in advance, to deal with such a risk?
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Postby bum » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:39 am

Move the server to russia, china, canada, germany, denmark, anywhere but australia and the usa.
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Re: is anyone else concerned about the RIAA's recent activit

Postby x_rex30 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:46 am

khyron wrote:...what would we all do if AMV was gone from the 'net one morning?
Someone will die... from my own hands.
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Re: is anyone else concerned about the RIAA's recent activit

Postby khyron » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:55 am

x_rex30 wrote:
khyron wrote:...what would we all do if AMV was gone from the 'net one morning?
Someone will die... from my own hands.


Dude, I echo the sentiment. However unfortunately the RIAA does not seem to be restrcited by any sort of justice in the U.S. right now as they're been unchallenged in court by individuals (filesharing suits, etc.) and corporations (many ISP's in fact) have tended towards "rolling over" for them like trained dogs whether there was any legal merit to their demands or not.

This situation really bothers me, but what I want to know is what can, and will, the maintainers of this community do about it? What can be done to prepare?

Should someone from "the org" perhaps contact a copyfight group like the EFF for some preliminary advice?
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Postby DeinReich » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:58 am

I dont think that the RIAA is going to shut down a site that the anime industry for the most part likes. And if they do, you'll be seeing me on the news, because I have attacked the RIAA HQ.
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:00 am

SOAD2k8 wrote:I dont think that the RIAA is going to shut down a site that the anime industry for the most part likes. And if they do, you'll be seeing me on the news, because I have attacked the RIAA HQ.
ditto
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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:06 am

bum wrote:Move the server to russia, china, canada, germany, denmark, anywhere but australia and the usa.

Not that good idea. In Germany we have an organization comparable to the RIAA, the GEMA. But they are more smart than the RIAA. The don't shut your site down, they make you shut your site down by requesting money. For example, if you use a copyrighted songs at your private homepage as background music, you have to pay 25 Euros per year and song. That is valid for up to 10 songs and to 1000 DL's/month and song. If you exceed one of the limits, your side is considered commercial and you have to pay at least 50 Cent/DL.
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Postby Jnzk » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:24 am

SOAD2k8 wrote:I dont think that the RIAA is going to shut down a site that the anime industry for the most part likes.

It's about the music, not anime. :roll:
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:26 am

Janzki wrote:
SOAD2k8 wrote:I dont think that the RIAA is going to shut down a site that the anime industry for the most part likes.

It's about the music, not anime. :roll:
heh, yeah. I bet they don't give a rats ass about anime companies. :roll:
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Postby bum » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:26 am

That wouldnt be bad. A service like allofmp3.com where you pay a smapp price (5-10c) per track would suite this place fine, long as it means it could stay up. It would also keep keep most lbz creators (12-14 year olds) away.
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:28 am

bum wrote:That wouldnt be bad. A service like allofmp3.com where you pay a smapp price (5-10c) per track would suite this place fine, long as it means it could stay up. It would also keep keep most lbz creators (12-14 year olds) away.
goodie, now I really want to go crazy and kill someone. I'm not paying for advertisements..
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Postby khyron » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:30 am

x_rex30 wrote:
Janzki wrote:
SOAD2k8 wrote:I dont think that the RIAA is going to shut down a site that the anime industry for the most part likes.

It's about the music, not anime. :roll:
heh, yeah. I bet they don't give a rats ass about anime companies. :roll:


Exactly, this has nothing at all to do with anime. Also, you're making a huge mistake if you think someone at the RIAA stops and considers the implications of any of these cease and desist letters before they send them out. Thye just surf, see something, and generate a letter. Then the people running the site get yelled at by their ISP, the ISP may even just shut the site down, and the burden is entirely on you. There's no "innocent until proven guilty" and no justice, and unless you have a lot of money, a great legal team, and a fairly unique ISP, you're offline and possibly even in debt.
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:32 am

yep. If they got rpgfilms, then we're up next... I guess :cry:
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Postby CerebralAssamite » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:34 am

Fuck that, Fuck them, the senior member can take my left nut, the vice president can take the right and the president can take the middle one and they can go all day long for all I care.
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Postby bum » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:35 am

x_rex30 wrote:
bum wrote:That wouldnt be bad. A service like allofmp3.com where you pay a smapp price (5-10c) per track would suite this place fine, long as it means it could stay up. It would also keep keep most lbz creators (12-14 year olds) away.
goodie, now I really want to go crazy and kill someone. I'm not paying for advertisements..


What I meant is paying a few cence for each download, with the money going to the musician. Then we'l prety much be perfectly legal (because anime companies dont care).
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