Have some people volunteered to remake other people's AMV's?

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Have some people volunteered to remake other people's AMV's?

Postby SpaceGhost2K » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:29 pm

Let's say I make a video. I chose a great song. I chose a great anime. The idea was rock solid but the execution lacked, probably because of software issues, bad source material, unfamiliarity with effects, or any one of a number of things.

Has this ever happened to anyone where a more experienced editor might have volunteered to remake the video?

I mean, I wouldn't watch someone else's video, say "Heh, I could have done that better" and then done it. I think that's just plagerism. But what if I contacted the guy, asked him if he thought of this or this, then volunteered to work with him to remake the video?

Would that be kosher?

I mean, I'm a newbie and I just got my fourth video finished and posted. I've already had a couple of people tell me they were great in concept, but were short on depth and effects. I just don't have the knowledge or software to do better.

Has anyone been in a similar situation where someone offered to work with them to make a Six Million Dollar Man version? You know, "We can make him better than he was... better, stronger, faster."
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Postby .:SR:. » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:42 pm

You mean like This Video
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This Video?
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Postby mexicanjunior » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:50 pm

A few people have volunteered in the past to remake some of my older videos, I'm all for it.
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Postby AMV_4000 » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:46 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:A few people have volunteered in the past to remake some of my older videos, I'm all for it.


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Re: Have some people volunteered to remake other people's AM

Postby staces » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:58 pm

SpaceGhost2K wrote:I mean, I wouldn't watch someone else's video, say "Heh, I could have done that better" and then done it. I think that's just plagerism.


I fail to see how it's plagiarism or even plagerism to use the same anime and song combo when considering the fact that none of use own the animes or songs that we're using (unless it's original art and an original song, but you get my point). Maybe it's a bit unoriginal but really no one has any say in what the other AMV creators do unless there's stolen footage/specific editing. Are the millions of retellings of fairy tales all plagiarising one another? =/ I think it's a word that others throw around too carelessly.

Moving on, however, I have personally made two AMVs to song and anime combinations that had been done before. One I wasn't aware of until I'd already finished mine, and the other I just felt I could do better. Making these AMVs has nothing to do with the original user of the combo at all. It's not about rubbing your vid in someone's face going "ha ha, look at me I'm better than you!" (at least I've never felt that way) rather you see such potential and you want it done to your liking and satisfaction.

I feel that contacting or crediting the original creators about making an AMV with a combo they'd used first would just be adding insult to injury. It'd be like "hey, your AMV sucked so here's a better version!" I mean, most of my old AMVs suck ass like nobody's business, but if someone were to remake it and blow my old one out of the water I'm sure that I'd not want to watch it and would feel some animosity.

Anyways, lots of song and anime combos have done mulitiple times. Just seach Evangelion with "In the End," Full Metal Alchemist with "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" or Sailor Moon with "All the Things She Said." Really, you should just make the AMVs that make you happy, it shouldn't be so much about being caught up on what's been done before. I mean, if a novelist went out of his way to make a completely 100% original book with ideas and characters like there'd never been before it probably wouldn't be particularly good. .

And that's my two cents. ^_^
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Postby x_rex30 » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:52 pm

I have! I would remake only videos that I originally had the need to remake. You can't just ask me to remake a video, I'll ask you. :twisted:

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Re: Have some people volunteered to remake other people's AM

Postby SpaceGhost2K » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:29 pm

staces wrote:
SpaceGhost2K wrote:I mean, I wouldn't watch someone else's video, say "Heh, I could have done that better" and then done it. I think that's just plagerism.


I fail to see how it's plagiarism or even plagerism to use the same anime and song combo when considering the fact that none of use own the animes or songs that we're using (unless it's original art and an original song, but you get my point). Maybe it's a bit unoriginal but really no one has any say in what the other AMV creators do unless there's stolen footage/specific editing. Are the millions of retellings of fairy tales all plagiarising one another? =/ I think it's a word that others throw around too carelessly.

Moving on, however, I have personally made two AMVs to song and anime combinations that had been done before. One I wasn't aware of until I'd already finished mine, and the other I just felt I could do better. Making these AMVs has nothing to do with the original user of the combo at all. It's not about rubbing your vid in someone's face going "ha ha, look at me I'm better than you!" (at least I've never felt that way) rather you see such potential and you want it done to your liking and satisfaction.

I feel that contacting or crediting the original creators about making an AMV with a combo they'd used first would just be adding insult to injury. It'd be like "hey, your AMV sucked so here's a better version!" I mean, most of my old AMVs suck ass like nobody's business, but if someone were to remake it and blow my old one out of the water I'm sure that I'd not want to watch it and would feel some animosity.

Anyways, lots of song and anime combos have done mulitiple times. Just seach Evangelion with "In the End," Full Metal Alchemist with "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" or Sailor Moon with "All the Things She Said." Really, you should just make the AMVs that make you happy, it shouldn't be so much about being caught up on what's been done before. I mean, if a novelist went out of his way to make a completely 100% original book with ideas and characters like there'd never been before it probably wouldn't be particularly good. .

And that's my two cents. ^_^


Sorry about the spelling. My computer is in a garage converted to a gameroom and my son had all the lights off. It's hard enough to type properly, but in those conditions, sometimes I don't proofread.

I guess maybe we're not on the same page. I don't mean using the same song/anime combo. I mean remaking someone else's video, shot for shot, with better footage and editing because they didn't have the tools.

AFAIC, I wouldn't use the same music/anime combos simply becasue I wouldn't want to be compared, but also why spend all that time making a statement someone else has already made? I could remake "Cause I'm A Blonde" with completely different girls... but what would be the point?

However, that doesn't mean that I would pass on an offer of assistance if someone wanted to help me take my own video to the next level, even if it meant completely redoing it.

SR, I will check those out later but right now, none of my downloads are working properly.
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Postby downwithpants » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:35 pm

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=35122
is a remaster of engel by kevin caldwell. the remaster creator didn't contact the original creator, but did give him credit.

anyways, if you have the original creator's permission, you should be fine.
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Postby Castor Troy » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:40 pm

downwithpants wrote:http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=35122
is a remaster of engel by kevin caldwell. the remaster creator didn't contact the original creator, but did give him credit.

anyways, if you have the original creator's permission, you should be fine.


Contacting Kevin Caldwell is near impossible anyways. Antonio Zalles found out a way and Kevin was extremely pissed off and asked to never be bugged about his amvs again. :?
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Postby Pie Row Maniac » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:19 am

Castor Troy wrote:Contacting Kevin Caldwell is near impossible anyways. Antonio Zalles found out a way and Kevin was extremely pissed off and asked to never be bugged about his amvs again. :?

I totally forgot about that. You make him sound like a total prick Castor. :lol::P
I wonder...


But yes, the idea has been done before. All you'd need to do is contact the original creator and ask.
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Re: Have some people volunteered to remake other people's AM

Postby Vancore » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:22 am

SpaceGhost2K wrote: what if I contacted the guy, asked him if he thought of this or this, then volunteered to work with him to remake the video?


I have had some firsthand experience with this question, since I did just that. I contacted him, asked him if I could rework the low points in his vid, straighten up some visual issues, fill in the black space of nothingness that he had in his vid, resync some movements and finally try to better represent the idea he had come up with in the first place. All issues that I had written out as an opinion on his vid prior to the e-mail I sent him. He agreed, and was very enthusiastic about me remaking his vid, so I did.

After about a few weeks I sent it to him and he was very greatly pleased with the result. In fact he asked me to submit it somewhere so I did (Acen2004) and shortly after I put it up as collaboration on the Org.

Not long after this he put up a different vid which I gave him another opinion on. About a month later he remade it himself as a V.2.. I was a bit surprised at this but it was cool. Kinda defeats the purpose of not loading up a beta vid.. but then again maybe this .org needs a beta bed come to think of it. Where editors op other editors that need help but don't wish to keep their vids online for all time... but thats off topic.

Anyway, in my experiance with this it actually helped the person, not hinder them, in the long run. I essentially just took a badly edited video and remade it, but by sticking to his idea and (mostly) scene selections I made someone happy. Later, he repostedthe vid I reworked for him even tho the collaboration vid was already up. Not sure why he did this, guess he forgot it was already up, I should probably recontact him about it...

As to my feelings about the whole thing, I still feel a bit uncomfortable talking about this subject, but it is what it is. Even tho he was satisfied by the end product I can't help but think I would have felt better about this if we had both been in one room collaborating about the video itself instead of through e-mail.

So what did I learn from this, not much.. wait. I think I learned that by contacting a person and staying true to their original idea is a good way to go about this. The only other people that I would find to have a problem with this are the people that are not involved with the AMV at hand (i.e. other .org members). Most likely what will happen tho is nobody will care, at least I haven't heard anything bad and I've talked about this before.

I've put myself in shame for this for two years people, where are the pitchforks, the scathing letters of disapproval, argh the suspense is killing me. *holds head in hands like that guy in the pic below* yeargh
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Postby bum » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:40 am

Apparently God payed sammy for the rights to re-do one of hisvids.
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