Isn't This Kind of like Cheating?

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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:33 am

Moonlight Soldier wrote:Beowulf: You're missing the org's demographic. The majority of adolescents don't care about artistic value. Most probably wouldn't appreciate it.

Better to appeal to the few who do.


While that may be true, it's also sad, depressing, and shameful :cry:
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Postby Mad_Cyric » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:17 am

You should totally make a thread out of that Beowulf.

I don't think that the org is as far to the lower right as you think; I don't really see the level of competition here as that much of a bad thing, but then again I'm not really a big name creator so maybe that changes when you do a lot more projects.
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Re: Isn't This Kind of like Cheating?

Postby Knowname » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:50 am

Mad_Cyric wrote:Uhh well I saw today that "Whisper of the Beast" passed Euphoria today (frankly because it's a Naruto video), and decided to go check out really how that could be. Well I think I know: they dont' have scoring on "Digital Effects" enabled, and, if you know your math, that will increase your average (less categories means a higher score overall if you're dealing with high numbers). I personally think it's absurd to say that video has no effects, and I also think that its artificial boost in the standings to #1 is as well.

Well that's my gripe this year, I imagine I'll get flamed by all the video's fanboys. Anyways I think maybe Digital Effects should be an available score or something.


yeah lol that got to me for a while... it defaults to 10! That's how stuff like FMA videos get higher scores then technical masterpeices on my given opinions! It's not fare!!... that is, if you care. Still it'd be nice if they (lipping and DFX) defaulted to n/a properly instead of 10. Welscome to 2003, wish I said something about it then I'd be more popular! ;p (Acturally I'd probly just get my thread locked on the grounds of being a juvinile dilinquint or something). Now my thing is Originality.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:40 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Moonlight Soldier wrote:Beowulf: You're missing the org's demographic. The majority of adolescents don't care about artistic value. Most probably wouldn't appreciate it.

Better to appeal to the few who do.


While that may be true, it's also sad, depressing, and shameful :cry:


Don't be sure of this, surely I quote the "sad, depressing and shameful" thought, because generally is exactly like this, but I found a lot of people from 15 to 17 years old to be quite serious and professionals in judging videos and moe than that in judging and appreciating art. Of course, anyway, there are tons of people that are exactly the opposite. But it's normal, since the number of members this site have, that means that a lot (tens of thousands) of people only come here to download videos of favorite anime/music.
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Postby Knowname » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:02 pm

Michele wrote:Don't be sure of this, surely I quote the "sad, depressing and shameful" thought, because generally is exactly like this, but I found a lot of people from 15 to 17 years old to be quite serious and professionals in judging videos and moe than that in judging and appreciating art. Of course, anyway, there are tons of people that are exactly the opposite. But it's normal, since the number of members this site have, that means that a lot (tens of thousands) of people only come here to download videos of favorite anime/music.


I agree with Michelle, it's weird, my 2 biggest fans are teens, all I release are drama videos that I never would have thought theyd like.

Those are my only fans (them and this pot-head)... like I say, popularity has eluded me as of yet lol.... and I have a very adolesant sense of humor it seems.
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Postby Castor Troy » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:22 pm

Is it the younger crowd (13-18 yrs of age) who review and watch videos while the older crowd (19+) are the ones making them?
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Re: Isn't This Kind of like Cheating?

Postby downwithpants » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:27 pm

Knowname wrote:yeah lol that got to me for a while... it defaults to 10!

:?: :?: :?:

seriously though, if you can give proof, the admin should look into the coding.
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Postby SuperFusion » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:35 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Is it the younger crowd (13-18 yrs of age) who review and watch videos while the older crowd (19+) are the ones making them?



last time i checked, i was 15 and i made AMVs
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Re: Isn't This Kind of like Cheating?

Postby Knowname » Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:56 pm

downwithpants wrote: :?: :?: :?:

seriously though, if you can give proof, the admin should look into the coding.


easy, you judge something without it all 9s and you judge something without it all 9s, the one without it (for me, Alchemist's job, a stupid FMA video, verses Images, a BRILLIANT Last Exile video that I'm sure Corran will agree with me -_-) then, just because I can't bear to give all 10s, the crappier one will be higher! Doesn't bother me though as the only place it's evident is in my own opinions page, but....
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Re: Isn't This Kind of like Cheating?

Postby Knowname » Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:57 pm

Knowname wrote:easy, you judge something without it all 9s and you judge something with it all 9s, the one without it (for me, Alchemist's job, a stupid FMA video, verses Images, a BRILLIANT Last Exile video that I'm sure Corran will agree with me -_-) then, just because I can't bear to give all 10s, the crappier one will be higher! Doesn't bother me though as the only place it's evident is in my own opinions page, but....


meant with it, see fixed it there ;p
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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:02 pm

Awesome post Beo, although I'm firmly aiming for the top left with my own work (and failing miserably, but eh).

Moonlight - As far as the demographic, it's not the age. Believe me. Age has nothing to do with this. It's the general culture of cheap competition and attention vampirism that we live in that's the cause of the problem, not the fact that too many kids watch and review AMV's.
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Postby Moonlight Soldier » Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:24 pm

Otohiko wrote:Moonlight - As far as the demographic, it's not the age. Believe me. Age has nothing to do with this. It's the general culture of cheap competition and attention vampirism that we live in that's the cause of the problem, not the fact that too many kids watch and review AMV's.


I was referring more to creating the videos, not the opinions.

A sizeable chunk of people on this site aren't looking to bedazzle the audience with artistic merit. They'll make videos because they want to, with their favourite artists and animes.

This is, for many, just another hobby, and not all have been to film school, or aspire to make something of great "artistic" value. Though the word "artistic" has its own pretentious/elitist connotations as well. :wink:
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Postby dwchang » Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:51 pm

I find it humorous (and hypocritical) that half of the people arguing in this thread are people who say they don't care about the list and yet do as shown by their own actions.

Both of them are videos. Some people like them. Some don't. Some people are retarded. Some aren't. Get over it and go edit while I go play video games >_>.
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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:54 pm

Moonlight Soldier wrote:This is, for many, just another hobby, and not all have been to film school, or aspire to make something of great "artistic" value. Though the word "artistic" has its own pretentious/elitist connotations as well. :wink:


I totally agree. But I guess my definition of artistism might be different.

I've been accused of originality. That is not why I do this. The fact is, my reason #1 for making videos is EXACTLY because I want to see certain AMVs done to music I hear often and enjoy, or because there's a certain visual idea that strikes me. There's no ulterior motives to that, and to me artistism is something that works only when you make something that has value to you personally.

I guess there's some argument though as to where artistry ends. To me as an editor personally it ends on where Beo's chart goes into the right half - at least in terms of motivation. To others, I think, it ends where it goes into the right-bottom quarter.
To others it's probably something different altogether.
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Postby Beowulf » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:32 pm

dwchang wrote:I find it humorous (and hypocritical) that half of the people arguing in this thread are people who say they don't care about the list and yet do as shown by their own actions.

Both of them are videos. Some people like them. Some don't. Some people are retarded. Some aren't. Get over it and go edit while I go play video games >_>.


Your attitude is self centered and therefor isn't really relevent when people are talking about the health of a community.
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