how long is too long

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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:21 pm

dokool wrote:
x_rex30 wrote:100 episodes is still a lot


Soap operas do 260+ episodes/year, doesn't mean that it's quality.
Who said they were quality?
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Postby badmartialarts » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:22 pm

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Seriously, do what you want. Making what you want is the true mark of an editor, not winning awards and recognition. Heck, if you have a weird vision of the world, you may never get any of that crap. But if you're making something that makes you happy, then go for it. And Dokool is a dootyhead. :wink:
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Postby bum » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:25 pm

x_rex30 wrote:
dokool wrote:
x_rex30 wrote:100 episodes is still a lot


Soap operas do 260+ episodes/year, doesn't mean that it's quality.
Who said they were quality?


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Postby Taruto! » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:53 am

Oh dear. I guess my idea of doing a 12 minute+ video isn't going to work out well. XD; Damnit.
I've seen a few pretty long single-editor videos.. one of them I couldn't sit and watch non-stop (mainly because the video was appalling quality and the clips just dragged). But some videos can be pretty good if there's enough variation within the video and enough to keep someone interested. :D
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Postby Otohiko » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:40 am

I never thought I could realistically do anything more than around 8 minutes, but then I recently pulled off a (mostly non-AMV, but still related) 12-minute video.

Go figure :roll:
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Postby Beowulf » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:25 pm

If you have talent, you can make any length of video work.

Take me for example.
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Postby Pwolf » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:29 pm

Beowulf wrote:If you have talent, you can make any length of video work.

Take me for example.


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Postby Pwolf » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:30 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Beowulf wrote:If you have talent, you can make any length of video work.

Take me for example.


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errr more like i agree... i don't have enough talent to make a video longer then 5-6 min long... nor the willpower


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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:14 am

Beowulf wrote:If you have talent, you can make any length of video work.

Take me for example.


Actually, it still hasn't worked on me.

On the other hand, it's safe to say that not one of your videos has yet worked on me immideately. And then after a while they all suddenly turned out to rock :roll:
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Postby Beowulf » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:52 am

On a serious note, some of my favorite videos are long ones.

Fluxmeister's "Blow Up The Outside World", his 8 minute Kite video, Wonka's "Die For Me", ect.

To me, length expectations are just one of the many limits people put on AMVs without any good reason. The argument of "its just to hard to hold an audiences attention for X amount of time" is complete bullshit and a cop-out. That can be said for any medium. "Man this song is too long, dude this book is way too long, omfgwtfbbq bro this episode never ends." Its all crap and I don't buy it for one second.

This is one of those AMV issues that shouldn't even BE an issue. If the video is good, its good. If its bad, its bad. The length of a video is just one of the infinite considerations to be taken into account when you try and create and experience.

Argument's like dokools are really infuriating to me because they represent so many other people's attitudes. The thought that no matter WHAT IT IS, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, over 6 minutes is just too long. Where is everyones attention span? Does anyone listen to albums? Do you all walk around with fucking ipods on shuffle listening to 30 second clips of songs? Do you all change channels every 2 seconds?

I'm not going to rant on this subject because people could dive into this topic for pages upon pages, but I would just like to express my frustration that people don't have the brain power or tolerance to sit through something that isn't immediatly satisfying. Its sad and pathetic.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:49 am

Beowulf wrote:I would just like to express my frustration that people don't have the brain power or tolerance to sit through something that isn't immediatly satisfying. Its sad and pathetic.


Yea! Damn about 80% of the U.S. population! ::shakes fist::

On a serious note, if you have the skill to do quality work for 12 minutes, go for it. Personally, I get stuck on 3:30 editing (pertanent clipping takes so damn long!) and i'll stop watching a video after a minute if i absolutely hate it. I'd say if it pased the 1 minute mark i'd at least finish watching it and probably add it it my list of vids to Op (more time = more details to discuss. or at least more 'good points' to scrounge up).
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Postby Tono_Fyr » Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:44 am

Digitalex wrote:However, I think I know why you say that though. Rock songs can usually tell a story within a short time frame. There are only so many words that can be used to tell the story.


Listen to Blind Guardian's "And Then There Was Silence", which tells the story of Troy, and THEN tell me that. I actually feel it should've been longer (and the damn thing is 14 minutes as it stands) because it doesn't go much into the Oddessy, and stays mostly on the events of Troy in the Illiad. From an editing standpoint, the song itself has enough changes in its pace to make it quite effective as a long video. I have ideas with it, though I'm not trying it until I get the CD that has it, and that could be several months. Still in the "in-between" on my last project.

As far as the "epic" style of AMV ediitng. Only if you're good. My favorite long video is probably Reflections of a Goddess by Norskotaku, the song changes a lot, allowing for multiple styles of ediiting throughout.

I, for one, do want to TRY a long song at some point or another in my carreer (I have several that are about 7 and 8 minutes, though I don't consider those that long, but that's because I'm weird).

Plus, it seems to me that most of the long songs that I have are metal. So, you techno people can bite me :P (nothing against techno, I'm just saying that it's not the ONLY genre that has that kind of length).

As for the newbie... I wouldn't suggest a long song as your first video. I can more or less garuntee that you'll screw it up.
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:15 am

Tono_Fyr wrote:
Digitalex wrote:However, I think I know why you say that though. Rock songs can usually tell a story within a short time frame. There are only so many words that can be used to tell the story.

Listen to Blind Guardian's "And Then There Was Silence", which tells the story of Troy, and THEN tell me that. I actually feel it should've been longer (and the damn thing is 14 minutes as it stands) because it doesn't go much into the Oddessy, and stays mostly on the events of Troy in the Illiad.

Or Symphony X's "The Odyssey," which obviously tells the story of Homer's Odyssey. It clocks in right around 24 minutes. I've actually had ideas for it as a MEP, but I doubt I could get the right footage (or find willing editors). Then again, I also think 24 minutes is just a little long for an AMV, even if it is a MEP.
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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:41 pm

Beowulf wrote:I would just like to express my frustration that people don't have the brain power or tolerance to sit through something that isn't immediatly satisfying. Its sad and pathetic.


Nail, meet hammer!

This is, unfortunately, territory where entertainment and art part ways. And it's not at all an 'un-serious' note to say that roughly 90% of the population are (quite intentionally) brought up to live in a society which encourages short attention spans.

This is part of the reason I prefer something that I don't like immideately and might even frustrate me at first, over instant-gratification type of AMV's. Sure, the latter will be good, out-of-the-box fun, but the more complex and possibly even longer AMV will have more replay value for me in the long run.

So I don't think there's such a thing as too long or too 'artsy', as long as you're prepared to alienate 90+% of the populace. I'm generally all to eager to do that to start with, so I'd have no trouble making AMV's any length now, provided they're justified by a good concept and my willingness to work on them. :roll:
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Postby mexicanjunior » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:35 pm

Beowulf wrote:If you have talent, you can make any length of video work.

Take me for example.


I totally disagree...
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