how long is too long

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how long is too long

Postby cortinator » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:11 am

i was just wondering what you guys thought would be a long video

i ask because i am making a video of the chunnin exam in naruto its not finished yet but its looking to be 10-12 min long :lol: :)
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Postby dokool » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:27 am

a 10-12 minute video is fine if it's a multi-editor project, but if it's a single editor I wouldn't watch over 6 minutes or so.
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:35 am

dokool wrote:a 10-12 minute video is fine if it's a multi-editor project, but if it's a single editor I wouldn't watch over 6 minutes or so.
Is that just knowing it's done by one person? How close minded.
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Postby dokool » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:56 am

x_rex30 wrote:
dokool wrote:a 10-12 minute video is fine if it's a multi-editor project, but if it's a single editor I wouldn't watch over 6 minutes or so.
Is that just knowing it's done by one person? How close minded.


Any editing style, no matter how good, gets tedious after a while - this is why cons have 6-minute limits. I think the longest solo vid I've ever managed to watch the whole way through is Wonka's Die For Me (I *think* that's the title), and I've never watched it the whole way through since. It's an amazing video... but it's also brutal to watch multiple times, and I think most people would agree with me.

When you have an MEP, there's a drastic change in style ever 30 seconds or every 2 minutes or whatever, which is why you can watch DDR or Animix and not get bored.
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Postby staces » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:57 am

The only problem that I have with long AMVs (longer than 5 minutes) is that the file size gets larger and larger and I'm sure that my fellow dial-up users know the pain of trying to download a file larger than 80mb without something going wrong. =/
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:59 am

Urban Ragnarok is over 8 minutes long, and that video never get's old to me.
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Postby dokool » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:05 am

x_rex30 wrote:Urban Ragnarok is over 8 minutes long, and that video never get's old to me.


And that's good for you. jBone and Wonka are also on a very short list of editors who can singlehandedly edit 8+ minutes and not suck. If every 'Org member put their best effort into a 10-minute solo video, <1% would be good enough to watch repeatedly.

You call it closed-mindedness, I call it "it's damned hard for an editor to <i>make</i> a 10-minute video, much less for a viewer used to 3-4 minute videos to sit through it."
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:08 am

I never said it was easy, but I did say it could be good. What I cant understand is people watching a short video in loops, now that gets old. An 8 minute song or an 8 minute video is a lot less repetitive and boring to listen/watch in loops than something that's like a minute or so long..
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Postby dokool » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:14 am

x_rex30 wrote:I never said it was easy, but I did say it could be good.


Can be, but often isn't. Plus this is <b>cortinator's</b> first video, and if he's still reading this thread I'd suggest he not choose such an ambitious first project...

x_rex30 wrote:What I cant understand is people watching a short video in loops, now that gets old. An 8 minute song or an 8 minute video is a lot less repetitive and boring to listen/watch in loops than something that's like a minute or so long..


Instant gratification makes for high replay value - shorter videos are simply easier to get right, and when a short vid gets everything right (for example a DDR Project segment) then it's very replayable. Also videos that are shorter tend to be more upbeat (examples that immediately come to mind are Rozard's Price To Fly, AtomX's Why...Can't...I..., Scintilla's Waka Lala w/ Osaka, etc) and are just plain fun to watch multiple times.
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:29 am

I listen to music that tends to get things right even more so than your average 4 minute song, and there around 7-8 minutes long. Specifically in a lot of trance you would hear since it focuses a lot on build up and trance is usually the type of gender that gets more described as upbeat music than other types of music. That's kinda funny since trance music has some of the most lengthy songs.
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Postby dokool » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:41 am

x_rex30 wrote:I listen to music that tends to get things right even more so than your average 4 minute song, and there around 7-8 minutes long. Specifically in a lot of trance you would hear since it focuses a lot on build up and trance is usually the type of gender that gets more described as upbeat music than other types of music. That's kinda funny since trance music has some of the most lengthy songs.


But trance, and other electronica, is made with a different purpose in mind (namely the club setting, where people are dancing and stuff like build-ups are designed to affect the energy of the crowd), while normal music videos (both real and AMVs) are designed for recreation - you don't dance to music videos, you sit down and watch them. When an electronica (trance/techno/______/whatever) song does have a music video that gets airplay, it's usually a radio edit, because nobody watching MTV is going to sit through an 8-minute techno video (then again, nobody watching MTV is going to see any music videos anyway, but I digress).
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:06 am

That's a very narrow way of looking at things. I know hundreds of people who love trance and love to listen to trance when there just chillin at home or listening to it in there car. Aside from it's main purpose(as you so call it), it's a highly popular form of music, and it's not confined to the dance scene, and there's over 30 genres of trance that kinda blows away that generalization. Some trance is mellow, some is psychedelic, and some is very angelic and/or emotional. Hell certain trance even helps me fall asleep. It's not all dance music as you so claim it to be.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:23 am

Mostly all the times, a 6+ minutes long video can be boring, if it is not really really original all the way, maybe the only way to create a fun video that go for more than 6 minutes is do a smart comedy one (The lord of the Yen, for example). Shackled is another example of an action-based charachter profile that absolutely is not boring during all his 6 minutes lenght. Anyway, this question have really personal answers, since everyone has his opinion about this =)
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Postby dokool » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:30 am

x_rex30 wrote:That's a very narrow way of looking at things. I know hundreds of people who love trance and love to listen to trance when there just chillin at home or listening to it in there car. Aside from it's main purpose(as you so call it), it's a highly popular form of music, and it's not confined to the dance scene, and there's over 30 genres of trance that kinda blows away that generalization. Some trance is mellow, some is psychedelic, and some is very angelic and/or emotional. Hell certain trance even helps me fall asleep. It's not all dance music as you so claim it to be.


That's the second time you've accused me of being closed-minded or having a narrow way of looking at things when that's far from what I'm doing. I did not say that Trance (and all other electronica) exists solely to be played in clubs, I said that it's made with the intent that it be played in clubs. This is why electronica still gets released on <i>vinyl</i>, because the hip-hop and electronica club scenes are the last bastion of turntable purists left.

I mean, I'm sourcing Ishkur on this, as in reading the descriptions for most of the Trance subgenres it's clear that they're made for the clubs. I for one listen to EBM/Darksynth/Futurepop/Electro-Industrial - in the club, in the car, at home, whatever. However, only one of those three places has people realizing the full potential of the music (i.e. dancing to it as the artist originally intended), and that's the point I'm trying to make.
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Postby bum » Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:43 am

x_rex30 wrote:Aside from it's main purpose(as you so call it), it's a highly popular form of music, and it's not confined to the dance scene, and there's over 30 genres of trance that kinda blows away that generalization. .


Technicaly their's about 40something different forms of electronica, 5 or 6 of which are styles of trance. The DJ List is a good source of info, and also points you to the knowlege that Tiesto is the greatest their is.
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