Does Remastering/Remaking an older amv affect originality?

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Postby SuperFusion » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:36 pm

TheUnlimited wrote:i thought this topic was about the issue about change in originality between the two SAME videos.. :?

later on.. there are thousands more of the same combination?


Exactly. By the time he remakes the video, I could've seen thousands more of the same anime/song combo with the same theme. The originality score is going down regardless whether if it's the same exact video with a few touch-ups. But, hey. That's just the way I rate a video. =|
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Postby godix » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:37 pm

My answer - Perhaps. Depends on how much remastering was done. If it's just cleaning up footage, better audio quality, and other minor things like that then I'd rate it the same. However if the remaster was a chance for someone to insert things shamelessly copied from other videos then I'd lower it, EG if someone remaster a video to include Euphoria like effects that weren't originally there.

The general orgs answer - there are many videos that are little more than Naruto or DBZ fight scenes set to a fast rock song that recieve 10's for originality. I stongly suspect your originality score wouldn't suffer nor would it be a true representation of originality so what does it really matter?
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Postby Zero1 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:18 pm

To me originality is the execution of an idea, usually a unique one, or one that uses something in an innovative way. It's all about doing or trying something that hasn't been done before.

A frame accurate remaster shouldnt detract from the originality, but should add to the effort for taking the time to create a frame accurate remaster.
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:05 am

SuperFusion wrote:Exactly. By the time he remakes the video, I could've seen thousands more of the same anime/song combo with the same theme. The originality score is going down regardless whether if it's the same exact video with a few touch-ups. But, hey. That's just the way I rate a video. =|


you misunderstood what my post was.. and still fail to realize that remastering AND this whole originality(to dumb it down, I mean.. remastering and originality TOGETHER.. not originality by itself disregarding the remastering part) thing DOES NOT concern other videos.. why give the two of the SAME(almost 100%) exact videos different originality scores..
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Postby Knowname » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:20 pm

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Knowname wrote:Hmm... one more example... ever seen underwear worn over your pants? That'd be original cuz it's never DONE! Most wouldn't say 'Wow! How original!' to that guy, most would just call him a geek... Now why would you have high originality points... yet low everything else (sense of style ;p), what USE is that score?? That's what I mean, the name 'originality' may be too confuseing, it doesn't mean ORIGINALity, but effectiveness like you said.

Um, no.

Originality is just what it looks like.
Effectiveness is supposed to go under the Overall score, not Originality.

If you've been considering a video's effectiveness when giving it an Originality score, then you've been doing it wrong.

Consider trythil's <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=59990">"siɳk"</a>, for example. High originality score, sucky overall score.


HEY! I remember downloading that video now! First AMV I EVER downloaded yet I wouldn't give it the time of day. But it bodes the question, why give something high originality that you hate?? I'da given that a low originality score definiteley. Just cuz somebodys got balls (or a weird sense of style) you don't go praising the geek with the underwear over his pants.

Another example. Say Shaq wants to show Dwayne Wayde who's boss by out scoreing him all the time. What would Shaq have to do?? He'd have to become a shooter. Shaq is not a shooter. How pissed would everybody be if Shaq put up brick after brick at the 3 point line?? That would get him closer to where he wants to be but ppl would hate him. It's a very unconventional approach but is it original? How bout, where would Karl Malone be if all John Stockton wanted to do was prove his worth? It wouldn't help any cuz he'd just show that he is half the shooter Malone is. It's just easiest to put this in terms of basketball, but when put in terms of anime (where everybody can just do EVERYTHING) we have to look harder. So hard. .... Only the Shinji type charachter in anime seems to have a glaring weekness at some time yet they ALWAYS get over it so... Anyway what you have to do is take the ORIGINAL in ORIGINALity in a different perspective. From the objective to the subjective view, you don't become original by going for the soccer goal every time you come up to bat! You have to PASS, it's not original if you do it the same way anybody else could every single time. So yes, ORIGINALITY does mean ORIGINAL, but it would be incredibly one sided to judge it that way. If you want a counter example (and WHY I am so gung ho about the issue), try my own video here. I'm not gonna get into a your word vs. my word arguement but just tell me how original you think that is.... Why?? it's not a freeking repeated series of a dozen still pictures like the other one, it's been done before but WHAT CAN MAKE IT ORIGINAL????
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Postby jasper-isis » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:29 pm

Knowname wrote:But it bodes the question, why give something high originality that you hate??

Objectivity, perhaps? :neutral:
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Postby Otohiko » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:55 pm

Jasper-Isis wrote:
Knowname wrote:But it bodes the question, why give something high originality that you hate??

Objectivity, perhaps? :neutral:


Assumed objectivity. :P

Originality is a mark I sort of just don't like. It's very nondescript.

In actuality, for instance, people have frequently (as I like to say) accused me of being original, whereas I'm not so much original as just faithful to my own interests. If my interests were to lie in an unoriginal direction, that wouldn't really stop me.

Anyway, if you can't be objective, you can at least try.
If you can't be original though, do yourself a favour and don't try. Being able to follow your intentions in spite of others' views is the only way to stay true to your creativity, which is sometimes achieved by the exact reverse of what is often (mistakenly) called originality.
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Postby Knowname » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:32 am

Jasper-Isis wrote:
Knowname wrote:But it bodes the question, why give something high originality that you hate??

Objectivity, perhaps? :neutral:


exactly.... are you being sarcastic?? .... cuz... that's just what I said

anyway I don't think originality has to do with the objectivity (ie the object itself) rather subjectivity (the subject of the environment around it... ie your video). I say this because people smarter than me tend to suggest that things such as passing the ball is original. It's what your supposed to do. Playing the basetone on the piano is original, it's what your supposed to do. Useing turn signals in your car is original, it's what your supposed to do. Stuff like Otohiko's sub project is original not just because it's unique but because it represents a good direction to go. Something like Trythil's (no offense to Trythil or AD or whoever) moving pic would get like a 6 from me, not because it's not ORIGINAL at all, anything that's created is somewhat original, but because it makes no damned sense!! Again I ask why have a score that is pointless in the larger view of things?

Assumed objectivity.

Originality is a mark I sort of just don't like. It's very nondescript.


exactly, I never liked originality either, but I love to abuse it cuz it gives me an arguement :twisted: (I also love to question it so go ahead and question me if you like, I question myself many times)
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