Does Remastering/Remaking an older amv affect originality?

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Does Remastering/Remaking an older amv affect originality?

Postby genestarwind21122 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:30 am

I'm curious if a person went back to fix up one of his/her older videos that had bad lipsync or timing in it, would this affect the videos originality because it is the second time being done. Or will it be rated the same as the first? I mean in my opinion if it was originally there idea and they remake it in a better version I think it should be the same not lower or higher to tell you the truth. What do you think?
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Postby SuperFusion » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:39 am

Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:43 am

if it's to remaster or remake an old video.. then it shouldn't change the originality.
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Postby Pwolf » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:44 am

seems to... i got a few reviews for Every Breath You Take and the originaly was knocked down becuase it was a remake. pretty much the oppion of who views it.


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Postby genestarwind21122 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:05 am

I just noticed something : Shrine of the Goddess (original) 8.14 originality (36 ops) Shrine of the Goddess 2 (extended version) 8.27 originality (32 ops).

Go figure.
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Postby Keeper of Hellfire » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:11 am

I'd make a difference between remaster and remake. Remaster is only a quality improvement, so it's still the same video and should be given the same originality. A remake is a new video, so it should get it's own judgement on originality. It depends now on the changes you've made. Mostly it should get a lower originality, since the idea already was done. But if for example the way you applied the effects is something new, it can get of course a higher originality.
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Postby bum » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:47 am

TheUnlimited wrote:if it's to remaster or remake an old video.. then it shouldn't change the originality.


That prety much hit the spot. If all your doing is fixing up the video/audio quality and mabey changing a few scenes then its essencialy the same video, as the editing aspects and the concept have recieved only minor changes.

SuperFusion wrote:Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o


Did you even bother to read the first post?
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Postby SuperFusion » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:31 am

bum wrote:
SuperFusion wrote:Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o


Did you even bother to read the first post?


Yeah, I did. And I responded to his question as I would've saw fit to rate his video.
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Postby Knowname » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:23 pm

yeah... imo, it can make it better and on some but not many occasions worse. To me originality is not how often that song/ anime is used, it's functionality. If it was how often it was used you'd have to continually change it! A video that changed my life was a (currently unavailable) Linkin Park 'Crawling' video to Ah My Goddess. Regardless of how many times it's used the video made me beleive the crawling they talk about is an infatuation with a girl not the typical LBZ fare, the video wasn't great but what else are you to call it but original?? Another example is Chiikaboom's Air video to Evanescances overdone My immortal (check my post in recomended -> overdone for the link) It's just something that isn't common thought but is effective enough to become common. The effective arguement usually coincides with the 'overused' arguement as it's not effective if you've seen it before... but if the overused half (like just the overused song) is well thought out and combined with an anime that brings out your message nice and effectiveley, then I consider it original.
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Postby Knowname » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:30 pm

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:I'd make a difference between remaster and remake. Remaster is only a quality improvement, so it's still the same video and should be given the same originality. A remake is a new video, so it should get it's own judgement on originality. It depends now on the changes you've made. Mostly it should get a lower originality, since the idea already was done. But if for example the way you applied the effects is something new, it can get of course a higher originality.


on the issue of a remaster/ remake, like you sid, if there is some subtle effect change of maybe a new scene that translates the idea better/ worse then the originality changes... otherwise it should stay the same.
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Postby Maverick-Rubik » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:05 pm

SuperFusion wrote:
bum wrote:
SuperFusion wrote:Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o


Did you even bother to read the first post?


Yeah, I did. And I responded to his question as I would've saw fit to rate his video.


And I tend to agree with SuperFusion...

Originality means coming up with the concept first- which he did. To put it crudely, it means not ripping anyone else off... which he wouldn't have done if he originally (!) made it.

Making the same thing again won't make it an unoriginal creation as long as it was original to begin with. So it depends on how many vids I saw to the same song, if the theme has been done before, and how well it was executed. :wink:
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Postby Knowname » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:36 pm

Maverick-Rubik wrote:
SuperFusion wrote:
bum wrote:
SuperFusion wrote:Depends on how many vids I saw using the same song, theme, and how well you executed it :o


Did you even bother to read the first post?


Yeah, I did. And I responded to his question as I would've saw fit to rate his video.


And I tend to agree with SuperFusion...

Originality means coming up with the concept first- which he did. To put it crudely, it means not ripping anyone else off... which he wouldn't have done if he originally (!) made it.

Making the same thing again won't make it an unoriginal creation as long as it was original to begin with. So it depends on how many vids I saw to the same song, if the theme has been done before, and how well it was executed. :wink:


so it just depends on you? why have that score in the first place?? What if you had made a video like that before just without releaseing it? is the released video not original cuz of coarse youd be mad.... by your theory your video couldn't then be original either! Let's say your high as a kite that day and don't get mad and think 'well I liked the idea b4, still do, it is original' then is your video NOT original? But it is original only you had this video for ages (say it just wasn't catalogued on a-m-v.org b4hand maybe only on anime.de or whatever) and it IS the original but you have no proof. That method is very fallable and doesn't make alot of logical sence.
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Postby Knowname » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:51 pm

I mean (and rereading your post, maybe you agree with my other points just not this one) two ppl can make the same anime/ song combination, which ever one does it better, the more beleivable one would seem like the winner too me. I mean, sure, somebody did a blah fun video with popups to KareKano before whoever did Excel Popup. The idea was taken, but many enjoy the later more as Excel Popup is funny ie more effective. a similar deal with AMV Hell, somebody did a corny Fruits Basket amv to different characters using clips of songs, I consider AMV Hell better as it seems to be implamented better. I think the name of originality should just be changed.

Hmm... one more example... ever seen underwear worn over your pants? That'd be original cuz it's never DONE! Most wouldn't say 'Wow! How original!' to that guy, most would just call him a geek... Now why would you have high originality points... yet low everything else (sense of style ;p), what USE is that score?? That's what I mean, the name 'originality' may be too confuseing, it doesn't mean ORIGINALity, but effectiveness like you said.
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:59 pm

i thought this topic was about the issue about change in originality between the two SAME videos.. :?

say you make a video and it gets a 7 for originality, and you remaster/remake it.. shouldn't it still be the same? not lower b/c later on.. there are thousands more of the same combination?

this question isn't about comparing the remaster to every other video by other people with the same combination

somewhere in this discussion, it just became a slightly different topic.. :?
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Postby Scintilla » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:04 pm

Knowname wrote:Hmm... one more example... ever seen underwear worn over your pants? That'd be original cuz it's never DONE! Most wouldn't say 'Wow! How original!' to that guy, most would just call him a geek... Now why would you have high originality points... yet low everything else (sense of style ;p), what USE is that score?? That's what I mean, the name 'originality' may be too confuseing, it doesn't mean ORIGINALity, but effectiveness like you said.

Um, no.

Originality is just what it looks like.
Effectiveness is supposed to go under the Overall score, not Originality.

If you've been considering a video's effectiveness when giving it an Originality score, then you've been doing it wrong.

Consider trythil's <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=59990">"siɳk"</a>, for example. High originality score, sucky overall score.
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