Would this be more distracting than helpful??

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Would this be more distracting than helpful??

Postby A2L » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:02 am

I'm thinking of making an amv in a few weeks that I'm actually going to draw out the timeline and plan it... my other two I've just made up on the spot. I want to try to make an emotion one...

What my idea is to show the bond between two characters as the story, and use a foreign song as the audio.

The song is beautiful and sad already... it's sung in russian though. i've found translations for it which makes it even more moving and even better for this amv... would it be better to put in subtitles of the translation throughout the amv (also how would i do this) or just let the song play and hope that the visual help portray what the song means?

Any advice?

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Postby megaman917 » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:30 am

Try making one with the subtitles and one without the subtitles and see which one you like better.
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Postby Moonlight Soldier » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:36 am

Honestly, not knowing the translation doesn't bother me while I'm watching a video.

If I were making the amv, I wouldn't include the subs because as a sentimental (as you describe it) vid, I'd want all the attention focused on the characters and not the subs. If they're there people will read them, it might take away from the mood.

You can always post the translation of the lyrics on the video info page.
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Postby staces » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:24 am

Personally I'd be fore it, so long as they weren't standard yellow+black outline subs, like some sort of pretty (but readable) font in white.

I've seen it done in AMVs like that before and personally didn't find it distracting. But if you want to minimize distraction like you could just subtitle the important lines every now and then, to make them stand out and to get the lyrics meaning across, yet not have words constantly on the screen.

As for how to make subs, just use whatever "add text" feature your makes has. If you use WMM1 you're SOL.
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Postby Brsrk » Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:36 am

Moonlight Soldier wrote:If I were making the amv, I wouldn't include the subs because as a sentimental (as you describe it) vid, I'd want all the attention focused on the characters and not the subs. If they're there people will read them, it might take away from the mood.

You can always post the translation of the lyrics on the video info page.

I agree, and that's what most people do in the video description. I've seen a lot of vids lately posting the lyrics in the description, or if some people aren't lazy, looking on google for them. There was a video I saw recently that woulda been a decent video, if it didn't have the damn things on the top and bottom, the lyrics, and unneccesary objects flying across the screen at random points. That reunied the entire experience, then deleted the AMV.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:08 am

"Honestly, not knowing the translation doesn't bother me while I'm watching a video."

Most of the times is the same for me =) Not always but most of the times yes. Anyway if can be of any help also for ideas, watch this http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=62674

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Postby CHAMELEON_D_H » Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:31 am

release the AMV in iether .mkv \ .ogm format and include subtitles, or just releas a .avi file and a subtitles file (.sub , .srt ect.)
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Postby AquaSky » Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:48 am

If I were to edit a video with a song in a foreign language (or even one in English that simply has lyrics that are hard to make out), I would release a version with hardcoded subs. I'd also release one without and host it on my own server. I prefer the subtitles, but I'd like to give the viewer a choice.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:00 am

IcyCloud wrote:I would release a version with hardcoded subs.


What are Hardcored subs? :?:
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Postby AquaSky » Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:39 am

Hardcoded means that they are on the video itself, and non-removable. Softcoded is where they are able to be turned on or off; unfortunately, fewer people tend to support the formats that include this function.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:49 am

i think the idea of doing both is a good thing... then you can see what you like for yourself..... (i did this when attempting to make a logo, and decided against it cause my beta said it was pretty distracting) also do one with subs and have someone beta it.

though for me it depends on the song..... and execution of the video.

I have seen some that have left in the subs of the original audio, and it helped their video (it was a Tsubasa Chronicle vid, cant remember the title) and the subs actually helped it.... but they clearly created the subs themselves, and didnt use the fansubs (as I have the fansubs... I can see the difference)

Then I have seen a few vids where they subbed the video, one of my favorites is the AMV before Halloween, following the bouncing skull and everything.... then Under Ice also has subs that deffinately helped the video as well, especially to make the concept stronger... (granted they are even songs both in english but still worked IMO)

and the ones that have words flying in and out can also be annoying... because "the" and other words dont really need to be emphisized... though i saw one to Simple Plan and InuYasha that used emphasizing words (on the chorus) that did work, (think it was inuyasha anyways) but i have seen ones that will have the lyrics randomly flying in and out of the video and most of them were annoying... and werent too reviewable to me..

then theres also the suggestion of putting the translation in your video description.... that also helps and shows that you lyric synced... instead of randomness lol...

either way it goes back to my original statement: do one of both, and have someone beta it.. or have a few people beta it... and see which you like better... and if you like non-subbed then put the translation in your vid description.
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Postby Otohiko » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:28 am

Why should the exact translations of lyrics matter? In fact, I'd see the fact that most of your audience doesn't know what the lyrics are as an advantage, because that will leave you much more free to interpret the lyrics to them as you want, NOT through subtitles but through imagery.
Seriously. Screw the subs. Well, you can put them in, but only optionally - don't clutter your video with them.

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Postby JCD » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:51 am

I in another thread wrote:Use an avi for online distribution without subtitles. Additionaly put up a srt, ssa, sub or whatever file with the same filename as the avi and note in the video description that the viewer needs to download Vobsub in order to display these. If they have the avi and the subtitle file in the same folder now and playback the avi, the subtitles will show, in any kind of player (even wmp).
This has also the advantage that people can change font sizes, font faces etc.

This is by far the best and most comfortable solution imo. go for it :P
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Postby Osakaness » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:54 pm

JCD wrote:
I in another thread wrote:Use an avi for online distribution without subtitles. Additionaly put up a srt, ssa, sub or whatever file with the same filename as the avi and note in the video description that the viewer needs to download Vobsub in order to display these. If they have the avi and the subtitle file in the same folder now and playback the avi, the subtitles will show, in any kind of player (even wmp).
This has also the advantage that people can change font sizes, font faces etc.

This is by far the best and most comfortable solution imo. go for it :P


That would be useful... but a lot of ppl wouldn't want to give out their timing of the subs inwhich they worked hard on, especially Karaoke timing :wink:
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Postby inthesto » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:52 pm

I'm just going to say that you shouldn't even bother subbing it.

Trust me, adding subtitles sucks. It sucks a lot.
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