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Postby SuperFusion » Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:29 am

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:
Does anyone ask if Family guy is art?
Not paticularly... Sure it's animation. Sure it's got great songs.

But no one cares because it's entertaining.



Family Guy is in a league of its own 8-)
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Postby x_rex30 » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:31 am

Writing is an art, directing is an art, and original creation. Art is many many things and is most definitely hard to describe.

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"Arthur Danto, professor of philosophy at Columbia University ..., believes that today "you can't say something's art or not art anymore."

wikipedia wrote:"Art, in its broadest meaning, is the expression of creativity or imagination, or both"

"Characteristics of art

1. Requires creative perception both by the artist and by the audience
2. Elusive
3. Communicates on many levels and is open to many interpretations
4. Connotes a sense of ability
5. Interplay between the conscious and unconscious part of our being, between what is real and what is an illusion
6. Any human creation which contains an idea other than its utilitarian purpose.
7. That which is created with intention to be experienced as art"

"Communicating emotion

Art appeals to human emotions. It can arouse aesthetic or moral feelings, and can be understood as a way of communicating these feelings. Artists have to express themselves so that their public is aroused, but they do not have to do so consciously. Art explores both human emotions and ways to arouse them — and good art brings something new and original in either of these two respects."


90% of the world wide web has definitions complete opposite of yours, and even professional artists have quoted against the perception you bring, yet you still act like your understanding of art is more correct than others. Art is very Elusive, and to say you KNOW what it is makes you seem close minded.

Ok I'm done arguing. I'm sick of arguing with someone who generalizes everything.
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Postby jbone » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:15 pm

x_rex30 wrote:stuff

You missed my point entirely, and are just quoting things to try to make your opinion seem more valid, even though it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

How entertaining.
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Postby x_rex30 » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:21 pm

jbone wrote:
x_rex30 wrote:stuff

You missed my point entirely, and are just quoting things to try to make your opinion seem more valid, even though it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

How entertaining.
Sure thing. That's what I'm doing! :wink:
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Postby ANTDrakko » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:48 pm

Nightowl wrote:And I have a Mac.

Fuckers.

-N


Am I the only one here who found that terribly funny?

On topic:

IMHO, Art should be a adjective.

Its like "Good". You may think something is Good. Someone else might not. I believe the same applies to Art.

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Postby Scintilla » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:50 pm

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:But no one cares because it's entertaining.

X2.
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Re: AMV artist / AMV Creator

Postby downwithpants » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:00 pm

OtakuForLife wrote:AMV Artist: AMV maker who uses lyrics and scene matching to tell
the story. Who focuses less on the beats and uses them mostly for
cutting between scenes. Thinks mainly about motives and charcters
within the story, Less fx usally...

Keywords: Soul,Emotion,Feeling,Active Space

AMV Creator: AMV maker who uses the beat-timing as there
main mode of storytelling and thinks about the lyrics secondry
but makes sure they match.. Thinks about the phyical actions of
those charcters and how to best use them, More FX

Keywords: Impact, Flash,Timing,Wow Factor

the two aren't at all exclusive. i treat lyrics, storytelling, beat-timing, synch, and effects with the respective weights i consider appropriate. i use both lyrics and musical rhythm as cues for the presentation, often simultaneously. i have seen many videos do the same.

am i an artist? the general definition would entail creating or performing art as a profession (not creating/performing art in general - that would include almost the entire human population), which would exclude me. so by the general definition - no. by otakuforlife's definitions, i'm both an amv artist and an amv creator.

is amv editing art? certainly.

godix wrote:Incidently, the definition of 'art' I've found that works best and avoids bullshit arguments: If there isn't a practical use for it then it's art.

except architecture and cooking are also arts.
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Postby Kalium » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:05 pm

Remember folks, all art and all otherwise creative works are derivative. Nothing, ever, is 100% original. It doesn't work like that. As a whole, we're just a bit more honest about it.

Anyway, I usually refer to people as 'editors', since that's the best description for some random person to grasp. I'm of the opinion that 'artist' is more a state of mind than anything else. The same applies to 'creator'.
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Postby Fluxmeister » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:45 pm

Beowulf wrote:Yes

I would consider myself an artist, even by the standard that nothing is created when making an AMV (which I would debate). I'm a creative person; I like creating things plain and simple. Whether its AMVs, sketches on paper, writting, poetry, rythyms that I drum on my stomach, scenerios that I think of in my head while I listen to music, it doesnt matter. I enjoy creating things, so that = "artist" in my mind.


Beo is one of my favorite artists and one of the greatest WWE champions.

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As for me... call me an artist or whatever you feel like. I see myself simply as an editor or dare I say "creator" (which is an odd word)... Art is in the eye of the beholder and trying to define it is next to impossible thanks to the lack of agreement among people as to what constitutes art. When hell freezes over maybe we'll get some kind of closure... until then the only person to determine if something is art or not is yourself.
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Postby requiett » Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:02 pm

I like how all the big guys here like to sound like they know what they're talking about. Art is the lazy act of reproducing a certain perspective. Keyword: PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S ALL. If some guy in New York can have a sculpture of cow organs in a musuem, cartoons mixed with tunes can be considered an ART.
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Postby Machine » Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:56 pm

requiett wrote:I like how all the big guys here like to sound like they know what they're talking about. Art is the lazy act of reproducing a certain perspective. Keyword: PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S ALL. If some guy in New York can have a sculpture of cow organs in a musuem, cartoons mixed with tunes can be considered an ART.


"One man's garbage is another man's treasure."

I still think the guys who ran that Dinosaur Studios here at the ORG for a while for some of the best AMV artists around.

Until "X" gave it to them for a day in the 10% of AMVs :twisted:
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Postby Scintilla » Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:24 pm

Machine wrote:I still think the guys who ran that Dinosaur Studios here at the ORG for a while for some of the best AMV artists around.

Until "X" gave it to them for a day in the 10% of AMVs :twisted:

Even though I didn't get the joke, that video was still funny as hell. :)


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Re: AMV artist / AMV Creator

Postby jbone » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:41 pm

downwithpants wrote:is amv editing art? certainly.

You're wrong, it's not "certainly" art. It can be, but it's not necessarily.
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Postby OtakuForLife » Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:28 am

Well, as for the the defintions I gave them as examples and even
I said "didn't say I belong in ether catagory"... I lean depending on what
the song tells me to do.. Though I'm not fond of fx most of the time.
Anyway, I was just trying to use those tools to shead light on a
interesting topic and stir-up some trouble. As for what art is.. I went
through the many arguements presented here and so far "ART is what you
concider art".. Is the best response I can give you by-the-way Night-owl
I do concider an AMV artist (watch playground of love) the number of
layers and depth to that video is insane.. Nice to hear your still puttering around the ORG man..
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Postby Kusoyaro » Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:23 am

Machine wrote:I still think the guys who ran that Dinosaur Studios here at the ORG for a while for some of the best AMV artists around.


Those guys were total wankers!! :P
I have no idea how to use this new forum.
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