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AMV artist / AMV Creator

Postby OtakuForLife » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:04 pm

Now I might be making a moutian outta of a molehill but I
seem to be seeing a certin devergence in style here.

AMV Artist: AMV maker who uses lyrics and scene matching to tell
the story. Who focuses less on the beats and uses them mostly for
cutting between scenes. Thinks mainly about motives and charcters
within the story, Less fx usally...

Keywords: Soul,Emotion,Feeling,Active Space

AMV Creator: AMV maker who uses the beat-timing as there
main mode of storytelling and thinks about the lyrics secondry
but makes sure they match.. Thinks about the phyical actions of
those charcters and how to best use them, More FX

Keywords: Impact, Flash,Timing,Wow Factor

I think I'm closer to AA>AC .... I'm wondering where most people fall.
I think most people fall in the middle but some tend to lean more
AC then AA or vise versa.

Hard to describe ,sorry if this is a confusing post.
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Postby jbone » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:13 pm

Everyone who makes AMVs is an editor.

Virtually nobody who edits AMVs is an artist.

Many people who edit AMVs are designers.

"Creator" is a poor description, as nothing is "created." Every AMV is "edited." If something is "created" (such as custom 3D), the video is no longer mainstream AMV - it becomes something else.

"Keywords" are pointless. People who try to wedge themselves and others into categories can never be artists, and make terrible designers. Worse are the people who insist upon claiming artistry, but who don't even know what it is.
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Postby OtakuForLife » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:34 pm

wow Jbone that was pretty deep man....
You have some good points there.
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Postby pen-pen2002 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:39 pm

You are describing a relatively obvious split among AMV editors (though the term is redundant, it is at least accurate) but I don't know about the labels (or the focus on lyrics.)

I certainly wouldn't consider myself an artist, though I fall squarely in your first category. I used to think of AMVs as art but I have moved to considering them as just, "very artistic". So very few editors can claim the title of artist (and most who deserve it probably wouldn't claim it.)
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Postby SuperFusion » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:08 pm

AMVs are my visual art.
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Postby Qyot27 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:17 pm

pen-pen2002 wrote:You are describing a relatively obvious split among AMV editors (though the term is redundant, it is at least accurate) but I don't know about the labels (or the focus on lyrics.)

I would call the first category 'Atmospherics', rather than Artistry. The second would probably just be 'Precision Action'.

I wouldn't know where to class myself on that, exactly, as I've done both mindless random action videos and atmosphere-dependent drama, but I hold the atmospheric videos above the random action ones, despite my having edited more random action videos.
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Postby AMV_4000 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:19 pm

amvs are a hobby, all are full of their own art, wether its to tell a story or just random effects, there is still art in it. we are all creators of this art, we edit the art together, so we are all amv artists, amv editors, and amv creators!

each person with their own style and their own story to tell.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:19 pm

I'm an editor who employes the use of an artist because i have no photochoppery skills. Does that count?
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:20 pm

I'm starting to think this debate depends on motivation for watching amvs. Do you watch vids for the anime, or the music? Most people who prefer 'story' vids, and the ones who dislike effects, are the ones who actually want to see the anime footage being used. Those who watch for the music are more concerned with the editing and may not even notice if they see more 'effects' than anime in the music video.

Still a generalization, but it's something to think about. Not all the people who think 'less = more' when it comes to effects prefer 'story' over eyecandy. A lot of us actually find our 'eyecandy' in the anime scenes being used. It may not be a matter of 'substance' over 'stylish effects' - it could just be a question of what we consider an 'effective' effect. Making a character seem to move as if in response to the song is an effect most people have trouble pulling off. I'm as 'wowed' by that as I am by amazingly difficult effects.

I like story/emotional content whether it's an 'effect' vid or a 'simple' vid. The story doesn't differentiate between the two. To me, the difference between 'effect' and 'simple' is whether or not I can see all of the anime footage being used.
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:20 pm

AMV_4000 wrote:amvs are a hobby, all are full of their own art, wether its to tell a story or just random effects, there is still art in it. we are all creators of this art, we edit the art together, so we are all amv artists, amv editors, and amv creators!

each person with their own style and their own story to tell.
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Postby Otohiko » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:33 pm

I've just had a similar discussion with an editor outside of this community today.

I think people are just confusing editing styles and editing motivations.

My own distinction that I drew today was between editors who are primarily oriented towards musical and visual texture and editors who are more oriented towards musical and visual rhythm. This has to do mostly with how they hear music.

As far as being artistic, either type of editor can do that. But as jbone says, artistry is not something that one can just take and say "look at me, I am an artist!" :roll:
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Postby Scintilla » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:41 pm

@Ari: I'd say it depends on the song.

I'd say the anime usually has to work with the song more closely in the romance and drama genres in order to be effective; if I'm looking for a good video to something like "My Immortal" or "Right Here Waiting", I won't be looking out for pretty effects. What'll concern me more in that case is the anime-song match and how well the editor manages to evoke the desired emotional effect.

But if I'm looking for a good video to something like "Brilliant 2U (Orchestra Groove)", "Gonna Make You Sweat", or "Twilight Zone", I generally won't care about storytelling.
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Postby Otohiko » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:48 pm

Ah, yes, that's a very good point too.

Personally, a lot of the time, I'm far less concerned with the anime - if anything, I often try to reduce it to visuals and moods or at least twist its' story and use the viewers' associations to my own advantage instead of sticking strickly with the anime. I wouldn't feel bad for a second if I totally mis-contextualized the anime in a completely serious video.
On the other hand, you can't call me an editing-, technique-, or otherwise anything but story/mood oriented editor. In my case, it's indeed the music that often gets far more attention as far as points of creative orientation goes. I'm far more loyal to my music that visual sources.

But, I know, you said 'generalization' yourself :roll:
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Re: AMV artist / AMV Creator

Postby staces » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:00 am

OtakuForLife wrote:
AMV Artist: AMV maker who uses lyrics and scene matching to tell
the story. Who focuses less on the beats and uses them mostly for
cutting between scenes.


Who's sick of lots of editors claiming that they mean to let a clip linger for 5+ seconds durning a fast paced song and then getting mad when people call it bad editing, because noooo it's artistic and those who fail to see it as artistic are just uncreative idiots with no imagination?

Oh yeah- I am! :D
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Re: AMV artist / AMV Creator

Postby AMV_4000 » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:11 am

staces wrote:
OtakuForLife wrote:
AMV Artist: AMV maker who uses lyrics and scene matching to tell
the story. Who focuses less on the beats and uses them mostly for
cutting between scenes.


Who's sick of lots of editors claiming that they mean to let a clip linger for 5+ seconds durning a fast paced song and then getting mad when people call it bad editing, because noooo it's artistic and those who fail to see it as artistic are just uncreative idiots with no imagination?

Oh yeah- I am! :D


ooo that has a reverse side too... take one of snh knives videos for example (not naming which kenshin video) its a fast romance song... its not supposed to have certian fight scenes in parts where something better should've gone, its true to a lot of videos, not just his.. and you are right, a lot of "art" should have changes in them, things like better timing... but hey.. think about it like any other art, music, your first song cant be just as great as one of your newer ones... movies, your frist few movies probably wont be as good as your later ones.. painting/drawing, your art isnt always gunna be perfect, just because your not as expierenced as a lot of others, your art dosnt look as good, so you get better and grow from your mistakes, just as with any art, you progress and get better.. improvement is why we continue to do what we do!
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