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Postby FoxJones » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:01 am

pen-pen2002 wrote:3. Call me an idealist, but I think Concept is more important than song anime combo in terms of influencing the final product.

Idealist.. :)

I still think anime/song combination is the most important thing, which breeds the concept that could (will be) be altered later on.
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Postby Sammy » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:11 am

Well, thats why no one will ever make videos using music I use. I edited the crap out of excalibur, and no one even thinks of using the song, cause they know they cant do any better.
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:14 am

Or maybe the music you listen to is too shitty for a decent editor to stand for more than a few minutes. :idea:
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Postby SuperS4 » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:53 am

Sammy wrote:Well, thats why no one will ever make videos using music I use. I edited the crap out of excalibur, and no one even thinks of using the song, cause they know they cant do any better.

Or could it be because none of us can be bothered to even try wasting our time on those songs?

Or better yet, we don't want to be even remotely thought of as trying to copy, mimic or even besting you? What's the point, you're too full of yourself to think someone could do better. Hell, you couldn't even figure out the DVD Footage guide on the org, you needed it in point form? Give me a break, what are you, 12? Can't read complete sentences or follow them?

And "who would care about [inverse telecine]"? Well, that would be those that actually understand what it does. That being changing the framerate back to 24fps from 30fps without losing quality. Since DVDs are almost always in 24fps, and most AMVs are editted in 30fps for simplicities sake with editting software. Since Premiere does not really like editting at 23.98fps. Basically inverse telecining takes your editted video and returns it 24fps to make it FILM again.

And we should worry about trying to do better then you? Why? You aren't nearly as good as you think you are. I will admit, you are a good editor, but there are a LOT of good editors on the org, but there are only a handful of excellent editors, and you do not make it into that cut. Though most of the people you seem to hate either fall in it, or are closer to it then you are. Perhaps that is why you hate them so much, because they are better then you?

Hell, you were quick to say my videos were the worst on the site, and I can sleep soundly knowing they aren't the worst, but they are far from the best. But then, you listed them simply in order of how they are in my profile, proving you couldn't even watch them yourself, it's hard to say they are the worst on the site if you never even bothered to watch them :roll:

Well, I think that safely covers that.

But to stay on topic. Yes its ok to use the same song/anime mix so long as you want to. Though you can expect people to judge your video harder if there are really good videos already using the song/anime combo since they will have them in their mind as they watch yours, looking to see if you could match the beats, lyrics and anything else as well as the others. I've yet to use the same song/anime combo as someone else, but I would think it would be a good challenge for an editor, to see if they could do better then someone else had, to strive to exceed a previous video with the same song/anime. So yeah, it's ok to do it, just know that some people won't like it as much as the next, but that goes for every video you make.
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Postby Beowulf » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:31 am

rofl Sammy is the new MadHatter.
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Postby staces » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:39 am

Sammy wrote:Well, thats why no one will ever make videos using music I use. I edited the crap out of excalibur, and no one even thinks of using the song, cause they know they cant do any better.


This coming from someone whose opinion averages are all in the periwinkle except for two? =/ Mmhmm. . . Honestly I've never seen one of your AMVs but those numbers are none to impressive.
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Postby Iphigenia » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:35 am

I know what you mean ^_^;;

I recently made a video to the song "Someday" by Nickelback for FFX/-2. ITs already been done about 4 times (and they all sucked too). I didn't credit the others cause I liked the song way before AND my idea was 100% different (I told the story of Shuyin and Lenne being reborn as Yuna and Tidus in order to find each other again. Sappy, but fun ^_^)

THe main issue on this one was that I originally heard the song from the AMV but its cool to see the opinions of site members even now
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Postby Scintilla » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:56 am

SuperS4 wrote:And "who would care about [inverse telecine]"? Well, that would be those that actually understand what it does. That being changing the framerate back to 24fps from 30fps without losing quality.

Up until this point you were fine, but then you said:

SuperS4 wrote:Since DVDs are almost always in 24fps, and most AMVs are editted in 30fps for simplicities sake with editting software.

- Most anime DVDs are encoded at 29.97, not 24. If a source you're using was encoded as 24 progressive, consider yourself lucky.
- There are plenty of people who inverse telecine <i>before</i> editing, and then edit at 24 (or 23.976, even better) frames per second. I do it myself, almost exclusively (only two exceptions so far, and one of them was for a MEP).

SuperS4 wrote:Since Premiere does not really like editting at 23.98fps.

Basically true, and that's why Absolute Destiny wrote up a section of the A/V guide on how to edit at 24fps in Adobe Premiere.

SuperS4 wrote:Basically inverse telecining takes your editted video and returns it 24fps to make it FILM again.

But it's better to IVTC your footage <i>before</i> editing, if possible; if you do it after editing, you run the risk of screwing up effects and such.
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Postby SnhKnives » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:06 am

Scintilla wrote:- There are plenty of people who inverse telecine <i>before</i> editing, and then edit at 24 (or 23.976, even better) frames per second. I do it myself, almost exclusively (only two exceptions so far, and one of them was for a MEP).



and that's only cause I didn't at the time feel comfortable with converting 23.976 to 29.97 in post editing processes >_>
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Postby SuperS4 » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:02 pm

Yeah, sorry about that, I wrote that at what...3 or 4am my time. I'm surprised I managed to write that so long without falling asleep on my keyboard.

And yes, Inverse telecine should be done before editting not after because if you do it after as you said, effects tend to get f'd up quite a bit. Thanks for correcting me on all my screwups :oops:
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Postby Ashyukun » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:54 pm

Throwing my $0.02 into the pot- in general, I see no real problems with someone making a video with the same sources as something I've done, or with making a video using the same sources as someone else has. It gets a bit more interesting if you've actually seen the other video beforehand, as you're likely going to be influenced by what you've seen (be it to think the scene selection was good and use something similar or to try and not use anything similar), but everyone has their own way of approaching things and the odds are the videos would each be distinctly different.

I would say it's going to far to exactly remake a video scene for scene and claim it's your own- that's only slightly less bad IMO than just outright stealing it and claiming you'd made a video. Though I will admit that trying to remake a video can be good practice- I re-sharpened my skills in Premiere after my long break from editing by attempting to re-create Bobby Beaver's 'Phantom Bride' A-ko video, but that wasn't distributed at all.

I've actually thought it would be an interesting variation on the Iron Editor/Iron Chef idea to have the editors be using exactly the same sources instead of having different audio tracks and seeing how different the videos came out.
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