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Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:59 am

my personal take on this:

Situation 1. I mada a vid a year or more ago, i looked it up and there are now three for the same anime/song combo... all three are different, my old one still sucks, so no harm done.

Situation 2. FullMetal Alchemist and Greenday - Boulavard of Broken Dreams had been done about 11-12 times before I worked on a MEP for it. hahahahahahahaha... dont care... didnt seem anyone was doing it to my taste anyways. (why did we do it MEP?? cause we can)

Situation 3. I once came across a video that had the same song/anime combo... i took interest in it... cause when I uploaded mine there was no listing on a-m-v.org... so I went and downloaded and watched this vid as i was curious more than anything about it... it wasnt untill i realized that not only had they done the same song/anime combo BUT THEY STOLE FOOTAGE from MY video was I annoied. I later gave them permission to go ahead and use my footage cause they credited me in their comments... now... that to me strikes me as a bit of laziness... *ahem* /bitter

Situation 4. one of my old videos (Escaflowne/No Doubt) really sucked, and I wanted to REMAKE it... so I did... its a different video from the original, so therefore a different video, the old one sucks still, but the new one shows improvement.... either way, I am glad to have remade it (it is really a different vid as i chose different scenes the second time around, cause I actually had a thaught process aside from "hay this looks cool")

Situation 5. I have seen some people do "AMV competitions" between each other where they take the same source and music and make videos... it seems like an interesting concept, and I would like to try this one day..

overall who cares if its redundant, different vid is different vid... upload away... though your question has been answered many times over.
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Postby pen-pen2002 » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:05 pm

Once you have made a video you have every right to upload it.

The whole argument of not copying ideas really applies before you have started editing, when you might want to forgo an idea if it has been done before.

Plus there are many different ways to approch a video and yours is probably considerably different.

The only thing that people really get mad about is stealling footage from videos or claiming others videos as your own.
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Postby requiett » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:29 pm

Your topic sounds like an ad for PORN.
Ask those fuckers who have 32 Goku tributes WITH FOOTAGE PULLED OFF OF KAZAA SYNCHED TO MOODY DEMOGRAPHICALLY-ADOLESCENT MP3s IN 128 KBPS OR LESS AND EDITED IN BILL GATE'S GIFT TO AMVING in their profiles. I'm sure they'd approve.
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Postby Rozard » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:14 pm

I saw something the other day that reminded me about the squabble about editors using the same song/anime combo, or even the same song in some AMVs instances (Must Be Dreaming, Engel, etc.)

I like Muse. They're a fantastic band who makes great music. I was looking up different artists similar to Muse at a local Barnes & Noble. Their interactive music thingy has reviews from AMG, All Music Guide. In every review for a Muse album, the reviewer accused them of ripping off Radiohead. Do they sound similar? Yes, they do in some respects. Does this constitute ripping them off, because Radiohead came first? No, and it angers me to read people make these accusations.

So, does that mean just because someone else is going to use a popular song, or a song/anime combo of a famous video, that the editor is going to steal the concept of the original video?
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Postby inthesto » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:54 pm

I still don't understand why this topic comes up.

there's more to the concept of a video than anime/song combination. Sometimes that will be the heart of it, but videos can still go in wildly different directions given that.

Also, if somebody else has a video that does have the same concept as yours, then that means one of two things. Either your concept wasn't terribly original in the first place, or the other editor thought your video sucked and tried to do a better job. Whether or not they actually did is irrelevant.

And if people want to edit using Engel or Must Be Dreaming, god damn let them.
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Postby Rozard » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:14 pm

inthesto wrote:I still don't understand why this topic comes up.

there's more to the concept of a video than anime/song combination. Sometimes that will be the heart of it, but videos can still go in wildly different directions given that.

Also, if somebody else has a video that does have the same concept as yours, then that means one of two things. Either your concept wasn't terribly original in the first place, or the other editor thought your video sucked and tried to do a better job. Whether or not they actually did is irrelevant.

And if people want to edit using Engel or Must Be Dreaming, god damn let them.

I agree, but not with your second paragraph. If someone has the same concept there are many other possibilities than just those two. Someone could have never even seen the other video that it shares the same song/source/concept as, but it could still be fairly original concept. Maybe editor number two just thinks along the same lines as the first editor. Also, someone could indeed be copying the success of another's video, which is what everyone assumes happens when a video is released using the same song or song/anime combo. Another possibility could be that the second editor was trying to expand with the song and do something that the first editor didn't. This would be just for cases where someone's harassed for using only a song from a famous video.
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Postby inthesto » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:26 pm

Rozard wrote: Someone could have never even seen the other video that it shares the same song/source/concept as, but it could still be fairly original concept. Maybe editor number two just thinks along the same lines as the first editor.


Nah, that only happens in that one Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

Rozard wrote:Also, someone could indeed be copying the success of another's video, which is what everyone assumes happens when a video is released using the same song or song/anime combo.


I don't really buy that idea, but then again, I have a difficult enough time trying to believe that people actually steal others' videos and claim them as their own.

Rozard wrote:Another possibility could be that the second editor was trying to expand with the song and do something that the first editor didn't. This would be just for cases where someone's harassed for using only a song from a famous video.


That's basically a modified version of my second case. I think.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:06 pm

inthesto wrote:I have a difficult enough time trying to believe that people actually steal others' videos and claim them as their own.


I've had parts of mine stolen, but not the whole thing that I know of...

well a friend once said she found a vid that took my video, but put it to different music, but i never found it, or got to see it..

either way, when i made my "third video"... was technically my second till someone told me it had been done, so in the middle of it i stopped working on it cause i didnt want to do a concept that had been done... then i went to look it up on the .org and there was nothing listed... now theres three (total including mine) lol... i donno if i inspired people to try to out do me or what (which wouldnt have been hard, as that vid sucks) but yea... either way if they thaught of it on their own, or if they hadnt, then it wouldnt matter... it was a pretty ovbious song/anime choice anyways..

though in the case of the stolen footage one where they used the same song/anime combo, they actually took footage from my AMV, the very same one... *ouch* but they moved my pieces around and didnt stick them in the same spots... i think they feared that i would find out... I did find out mostly because of a few things i did in my AMV that made it highly recognizable as my work... *ahem* that to me constitues laziness...
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Postby Rozard » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:02 am

inthesto wrote:
Rozard wrote:Another possibility could be that the second editor was trying to expand with the song and do something that the first editor didn't. This would be just for cases where someone's harassed for using only a song from a famous video.

That's basically a modified version of my second case. I think.

Well, I didn't mean to expand upon the concept of the previous video, I meant expand upon the possibilities for the song. To give an example and a self-promotion, my video I Have Seen uses a love song, but I use it to show Shinji's world falling apart around him. That's what I meant.
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