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Postby Monkey King Seth » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:03 pm

Ehhh, this is part question-part comment.

What's the whole standpoint on using the same music AND anime as someone else? Like, let's say I heard a song, and connected it to an anime, and made a video. Now, when I consider uploading it, I found out that someone else has already done an AMV with that same song and anime.

Do you think it would be justifiable for that person to flame me if I were to upload my video? o.o; Even if the editing and arrangements are completely different?

'Cause if it is, I may as well avoid conflict an' just keep my videos to myself... *sighs* So, whaddaya think? Am I "allowed" to upload vids like that, or is it just kinda redundant?

Note: Er, if this ain't the right place for this topic, don't hesitate to move it. ^^; I'm new. *gestures to giant "NEWB" sign on shirt* Eheh.
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Re: New and Curious

Postby Unlimited Rice » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:10 pm

just upload it if you want to..


Monkey King Seth wrote:Do you think it would be justifiable for that person to flame me if I were to upload my video? o.o; Even if the editing and arrangements are completely different?


no.... it wouldn't be justifiable
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Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:15 pm

Well, I had considered that myself some time ago. What I came up with was this:

You came up with the video idea. You didn't know there were other videos with that idea. Therefore, you are not a thief.

Besides, the chances of the other person actually seeing your video AND being enough of a jerk to flame you for it are very, very slim. The people on this site are overall very nice and I'm sure they would all understand your situation. It happens all the time.

So, my suggestion to you is this: upload that video! ^_^

As always, Farewell, Good Luck, and Happy AMV-ing!


- dj_ultima_the_great

PS: just out of curiosity, what is your video idea?
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Postby Unlimited Rice » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:20 pm

dj_ultima_the_great wrote:You came up with the video idea. You didn't know there were other videos with that idea. Therefore, you are not a thief.


or, you just wanted to do the video even though there's others of the same idea.. it wouldn't be stealing.. unless like.. you actually steal their video, or even just parts..
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Postby Scintilla » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:23 pm

If the editing and arrangement are completely different as you say, then no one should get on your case. Go ahead and post it. :)


(Really, if you hadn't seen the other video before making your own, they shouldn't be getting on your case even if they're <i>not</i> completely different. However, sometimes you get situations like the two dozen (plus) NGE videos to "Chop Suey!" (and I'm willing to bet that most of the creators of THOSE videos had no idea the combo had been done before)... but that's the exception, not the rule.)
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Postby AquaSky » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:23 pm

This topic gets brought up every so often. Pretty much the same set of answers each time too. The last one (I believe) to deal with the subject was - http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=50289.
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Postby Athena » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:48 pm

As the person who has had someone use the same song and the same multi-source after I did, I think it personally shows laziness more than malice. I always check the Org for song and anime combinations.

However, I personally would never use the same song and anime combination as someone else. Golden rule; I wouldn't want it done to me, so I don't do it to anyone else.
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Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:56 pm

Kionon wrote:As the person who has had someone use the same song and the same multi-source after I did, I think it personally shows laziness more than malice. I always check the Org for song and anime combinations.


Not everybody is a part of this site when they make their videos, though. I didn't even learn of this site until I had made my fifth one. Luckily, none of my ideas had been done, but the fact still stands that a person could make a video well before they join and get the chance to see if it's been done before. Now, of course, I always look up my ideas as I think of them, but that option wasn't open to me for videos 1-5.

I have to admit, though, the person probably did copy you in that case. It's just a little too convenient to use the same multiple anime source and song as another person.
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Postby Monkey King Seth » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:46 pm

Ah, okay, I see. Thank-you! ^^;

Yeah, I actually took up a couple hours today searching for videos that might have the same combination as mine (seeing as I haven't uploaded any of mine yet... ^^') and I was surprised by how many had been done before. =___=

One hadn't (huzzah!) and for another, the person had only used half the song, whereas I used the whole one... *shifty-eyed* Eheh?

And yeah, as was said, I wasn't a part of this site before either, when I actually began making them...

Huh... I guess I'll upload maybe one or two (only the ones I like best) and try to avoid anymore that may have already been done... *sighs* But seriously, it's so depressing finishing something that you're really proud of, and then you find out that someone else did it first. *melts in disappointment*

But anyway, thank-you for your replies! --Er, and sorry for asking a question that has been asked a hundred times before! ^^;
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Postby Bakadeshi » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:10 pm

That actually happened to me when I made my very first video, I made a video to spirited away with Vanessa carlton's Ordinary day before I even knew abot this site, and came to find out there was one already out by Micheal Howe. So What I did was just credit him in my video description with a line something like " This is in no way affiliated with the already existing video to this song and anime by Micheal Howe" (and provided a link to his video) and said something like I didn;t know about his video until after I did mine. He ended up finding it, and thanked me for crediting him in the description and was actually quite nice about it. Did I have to do that? Probably not, the video was diferent enough that its obvious I didn;t steal it, but I did it just for good measure, and I did since get a few comments from downloaders mistaking my video for his.
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Postby SuperFusion » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:52 pm

Kionon wrote:As the person who has had someone use the same song and the same multi-source after I did, I think it personally shows laziness more than malice. I always check the Org for song and anime combinations.

However, I personally would never use the same song and anime combination as someone else. Golden rule; I wouldn't want it done to me, so I don't do it to anyone else.


But you see..thing is..I wouldn't care if someone used the same anime/song combo because..it's what I I wanna do. You sayin' I'm lazy for that is shit.
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Postby godix » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:55 pm

/me glances at sig.

Yup, still appropriate.
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Postby Athena » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:59 pm

SuperFusion wrote:But you see..thing is..I wouldn't care if someone used the same anime/song combo because..it's what I I wanna do. You sayin' I'm lazy for that is shit.


Then we simply have a disagreement on the ethics here. If you intentionally choose not to search the site because you don't feel song/anime combinations have even the thinnest veneer of intellectual property, then how I feel is completely irrelevent in your case. I'm not saying you're anything, because I'm not describing you.

As stated, I wouldn't want it done to me, so I wouldn't do it to others. If I would feel slighted (and I would), then I'm not going to do something to make someone else feel the same way.
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Postby Bakadeshi » Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:39 pm

godix wrote:/me glances at sig.

Yup, still appropriate.


haha thats what makes this home ;p
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:37 pm

If someone watched one of my vids and then decided he could do better, and made a video to the same anime, same song, and same scenes (though he ripped them himself), I would be highly annoyed if I were not mentioned as the source of inspiration for the entire video. I wouldn't flame him, though. I'd grumble to myself and go back to making videos.

When I get ideas that 'have been done before' I either don't know it, or haven't watched the videos in question. If I came up with the anime/song combo without knowing someone else had already done it, I'm not stealing anything. I *still* came up with it on my own. If anything both I and the original person lack creativity - if we both came up with the same idea, it can't be a very original idea. Unless we're both originality geniuses. This has happened to me a few times, so I doubt that it's a matter of being a genius at originality. ;p

I think the problem is people make a video to a song and then think they're the only people in the world who could possibly have had that idea. Few anime/song combos are that original. If someone else just happened to have the same idea as me, that just shows it's a popular idea. As long as he didn't get the idea from watching my vid, his amv has nothing to do with me.

It's sort of like the first person to write a vampire book set in the 1800s thinking he has intellectual rights to all vampire books set in that time period. It doesn't work that way.

No one gets a monopoly on a certain song or combination purely by entering it into the database first. This is why people are not supposed to enter 'ideas' to have 'first dibs' on them before they even make the video. There's no such thing as dibs on a combination. On the editing of the story made within a video with that particular combination - yes, but not on the combination itself.
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