AMV top 10% - rules

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AMV top 10% - rules

Postby Neo-Matrix » Sun Oct 13, 2002 11:52 am

i see some videos up on the top 10% with 3 opinions and no way to download them... so what happens if i make a video and get 3 of my friends to give me a perfect 10 and never put it up for download? whats the point of having the video posted here if nobody can watch it?

i think the videos that deserve the top 10% are those with a lot of opinions but still rank over 9.5 average. they have sustained the test of many different people and have been given good scores all around.

a video with 3 good opinions ranks way up on the top 10%, and i cant download it to see why its good. maybe a video should have more than 5 or 10 opinions before it gets the honor of a top 10% video...

i can understand why astral shut down his download, but go to the opinion section and trade opinions or something like that... remind everyone to leave an opinion after downloading. give people another shot if you think your video is good. find out if it deserves 2nd place ranking on the 10% list. a-m-v.org is a learning experience. you can learn things by getting constructive criticism and learning tricks, what people like, etc.

honestly i think the rules for the top 10% list should be changed. people should have more than just a few opinions, maybe MAYBE they should have some way to download it. i know some proxy videos arent up for download but still... if theyre posted on the internet whats the point of having no download? to show off your title and your speech about the video? downloads would be a nice thing to have.
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Postby Nappy » Sun Oct 13, 2002 3:02 pm

ya I just look at that, and one of the 3 was himself hmm..... I didn't mind that low review counts were on the list, because it would get more people to see it, then it would get more reviews and maybe average out on the list, but there should be something about having low opinion count AND not being available for download. I mean how would anyone beat that #2 be other than a blind review which is wrong, or getting a higher avg. % than 9.7 which would not be easy when caldwells stuff is 9.5. Or hope someone that saw it a year 1/2 ago at anime north 2001 @_@ will review it.
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Postby Ean » Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:54 pm

Nappy wrote:I didn't mind that low review counts were on the list, because it would get more people to see it, then it would get more reviews and maybe average out on the list


I agree... I think that having a low review count and being on the Top 10% list will benefit <I>some</I> creators because it might help that video/creator recieve more opinions. But I don't think that videos should be taken off the list for having a lack of opinions. If a video is not available for download then that's a problem. Does it actually deserve to be on the list if no one has seen it?

<B>Idea:</B> Maybe if a video is not available for download for 2-4 weeks that video can be removed from the Top 10% list until it becomes available.
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Postby Neo-Matrix » Sun Oct 13, 2002 4:57 pm

well a video with few opinions that makes it on the top 10% AND has a download site will not keep its low opinion count, people will wonder what gave it the 9.5+ or whatever, and give their opinion.
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Postby Ean » Sun Oct 13, 2002 5:06 pm

Neo-Matrix wrote:well a video with few opinions that makes it on the top 10% AND has a download site will not keep its low opinion count, people will wonder what gave it the 9.5+ or whatever, and give their opinion.


Not necessarily though... There are a couple of videos on that list that haven't recieved more than 3 opinions in a long while... and most people don't seem to leave opinions most of the time (like me, although I've decided to try and leave an opinion for most of the videos I download).
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Postby jonmartensen » Sun Oct 13, 2002 5:14 pm

True, but the real problem is that a video can be up there with only three votes and not be available for downlod or general viewing.
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Re: AMV top 10% - rules

Postby VegettoEX » Sun Oct 13, 2002 5:32 pm

Neo-Matrix wrote:i see some videos up on the top 10% with 3 opinions and no way to download them... so what happens if i make a video and get 3 of my friends to give me a perfect 10 and never put it up for download?


That just means you're taking advantage of the system, and I assure you that some people out there are pretty crazy when it comes to watching those numbers :P

Neo-Matrix wrote:whats the point of having the video posted here if nobody can watch it?


The point of the site, at the very bare bones, is to be a COMPLETE listing of ALL anime music videos EVER created by fans; whether or not they're downloadable is a VERY moot point. Look at some of the older videos by, say, Duane Johnson or Kevin Caldwell (etc, etc)... they're not necessarily downloadable from a specific place that the creators themselves have set up, but they ARE anime music videos, and they DO deserve to be listed on the site. There are a wide range of ways to see AMVs that aren't necessarily through downloads; most AMV contests pass out the compilation tapes to their entrants which then further get passed around. I've seen plenty of instances where creators get reviews of their videos long before they even put them online, due to the contest AMV tapes.

When it comes down to it, if you're taking the numbers so seriously, you're taking an awful lot of fun out of the hobby you're supposed to enjoy. Numbers are numbers; they don't mean anything else, really. They're only meant to be a guide, not the final word.
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Postby Rayek » Sun Oct 13, 2002 8:45 pm

IDEA!---------> o_O;;

*opens up premiere & vdub*

*randomly cuts a scene from eva including fighting*

*randomly cuts a scene from bebop including fighting*

*Glues eva piece to bebop piece*

*inserting "Survivor - Eye of the tiger" to it*

*breathing heavily while doing all this*

*posts it on a-m-v.org, then calls 10 random friends to vote for it, only giving 10's*

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Postby Nappy » Sun Oct 13, 2002 9:45 pm

heres a shorter verison.

*Enter a mythical amv in the database, with no d/l*

*Call 2 frens and review urself with all 10s*

*Sit at the top, and laugh, hoping no one has the guts to call you out*
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Postby Bahamut God » Wed Oct 23, 2002 2:58 am

I think if I saw something like that, and it buged me, I would just e-mail him(her) about it. If that did not seem to go well, maybe just e-mail phade.

It would not be a good idea to bring that out in the public for flaming. >_<
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Postby ErMaC » Wed Oct 23, 2002 3:39 am

...Or why not leave a review that's all 1's to f@#$ with them? :)
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Re: AMV top 10% - rules

Postby Ashton » Wed Oct 23, 2002 4:44 am

VegettoEX wrote:When it comes down to it, if you're taking the numbers so seriously, you're taking an awful lot of fun out of the hobby you're supposed to enjoy. Numbers are numbers; they don't mean anything else, really. They're only meant to be a guide, not the final word.


But maybe it IS the point. I'm certainly not saying it's my reason for being here, but who are you to say that it's not fun to play the numbers. Even if I'm here on a personal mission to fullfill my artistic urges or any such BS I still have fun know that my video might rank (in numbers at least) better than any given well known video/creator.
That said, I would also like to address the issue of the thread. It really is a problem with the system itself, there is no acountability for the scores given at all, especially because it's on the 'net where there isn't any accountability anyway. There are other problems, aside from the exorbitant score loophole, and the biggest of which (IMHO) is the global average. What kind of system is it where the average video score is above a 7. This is supposed to be a system based on five as the average. So what the hell can we do? Go around and give horrible scores to everyone? I don't have the heart for that, so I always give the same BS scores based on 7.5 being the "average video score" because I don't want to crush the poor person.
Another problem we fun into is the fact that people only really feel like reviewing better videos. They don't really feel like spending the time to give serious thought to a video that was midiocre. This also effects the global average as mentioned above.
The only solution for all these problems that I can see is some form of compulsory voting. I think if we did that, and alowed people to review without leaving coments there wouldn't be such a problem. Mind, this would only solve the problem with the scores, wheras it might worsen the "actual reviews" shortage at the site.

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Postby Rozard » Wed Oct 23, 2002 11:36 am

ErMaC wrote:...Or why not leave a review that's all 1's to f@#$ with them? :)


Because it's soooo cruel! :roll: :twisted:
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Oct 23, 2002 2:19 pm

I honestly have no problem with them being up there with a low review count because being up there gets people more reviews that they need. Most of my reviews come from friends because I can't get my videos online in any way shape or form. I think as long as you say you have roughly five reviews you should be fine being up there. and if those five are five random friends who you asked to get you up there...I think such credibility would be easily recognizable upon reading the actual review.
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Re: AMV top 10% - rules

Postby Nappy » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:07 pm

Ashton wrote:
There are other problems, aside from the exorbitant score loophole, and the biggest of which (IMHO) is the global average. What kind of system is it where the average video score is above a 7. This is supposed to be a system based on five as the average. So what the hell can we do? Go around and give horrible scores to everyone? I don't have the heart for that, so I always give the same BS scores based on 7.5 being the "average video score" because I don't want to crush the poor person.



well I think we are going on a C=75%=7.5 score=average hehe a 5 average would a be a F average :P

but, I think alot of ppl don't like to review bad videos because they don't want to give them a low score, and perhaps expect a possible revenge review. Althought this is the internet so ppl can be mean behind the safety of their screens >:P
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