Zotto wrote:I don't understand the reason of this.
Do you want to lower the site average score? Is it a crusade to give to everybody what they deserve?
god forbid that people get scores they deserve...
Zotto wrote:It's rare to op videos you didn't like, and it is not needed, with this system and LOT of ppl can't see a bad review as: "something useful to make you improve", it's just something that lowered his amv's scores, and if site's average is 8, and you put (logically) 5 for an average score, what will he think? A 5 is a crappy score, not average.
unfortunately, this is true in many cases - members being unable to accept opinions simply because they give low scores.
some members do need to learn to accept criticism and not shove it aside as someone's unfounded rants. will giving out low scores contribute to this goal? i dunno, it's possible - if a creator sees consistently low scores, she might get the hint that the video was, in fact, in need of the improvement suggested in the opinions - on the other hand, some creators will ignore them unconditionally.
to delve even further into the topic, some creators subscribe to the "i don't care what other people think, i do this for myself" philosophy. which is perfectly fine, and in which case, any opinion (not just critical ones), would be unsolicited. (hopefully they notate this somewhere in their profile or vid description).
Zotto wrote:But if you are so generous and really want to see people improved, send 'em an email, or contact them via msn or aim, but don't leave an opinion here with this system if you are planning to put really low scores. Noone forces you to put opinions, and this is not the only metod if u want to make them improve. If a people sees an amv with an average score of: 5 5 8 7 6 5 8, will he download it, will YOU download it? Of course not, if not constricted, and do you think that the creator is happier with an objective review or with people downloading his amv?
giving undeserving videos high marks does nothing beneficial for the site. you could make the argument that high marks will make the creator happy, but the problem is about half of all opinion scores will always be below the site average
. (exactly half of all opinions will be below the median). in other words, we can't always give "above average" scores just to make epeople happy, because that raises the average and further trivializes the opinion system.
Zotto wrote:It's not fair for the viewer, but if you do what you are going to do you are just going to get 50, 100, 150 ppl angry, and still not changing the opinion average system. PPL are still used to 8 = average, that's the main point, and I don't think this is the way to change it...
the purpose of this honest opinion week, if i'm not mistaken, is to encourage people to give opinions in a manner that won't lead to further score inflation, and ideally (though improbably) trigger a bloom in such fair-op-giving practices that it reduce the influence of op-inflating biases (such as the "top videos getting more ops", "high score for high score tit-for-tat" in op exchange, "friends giving friends high scores", and "because site average=8 therefore video average=8" reasoning error).
I know I wasn't constructive... But I can't find a good idea to change the "average score", even because you have to change it even in ppl's mind... Except of resetting the whole opinion database O_o reworking completely the opinion system, but you know... Maybe it's not worth doing that...
Above all, my brain just says that there's nothing to do and I have to accept it, and I am glad that I understand that 5.5 is the average and 8 is good, if other ppl don't understand it... It's not in my abilities to change their mind
your post does help by pointing out some opposing arguments, and by pointing out how widespread the misconception 8=average video is.
it's not possible to determine the exact score an average video would get after removing all biases. however, 5.5 is not "the" average - but rather the average that some op givers give. this point also illustrates another problem (or at least nuance) of the op system - it is not standardized (with the exception of reviewability, for which descriptions of each score appear in a hover box). this means that some op givers give 5.5 as average, some 6 as average, some 7 as average, and some 8 as average.
now the french editors are going to try to kill us with a one-million calorie eclair. /obligatory reference