The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

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Postby Hitori » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:55 pm

See!!! See!!! Off topic!!!

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Postby Wonka » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:56 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:eh..? when did ermac post that :? I know temjin did, but ermac? oh well.
anyway Koop and AD both brought up excellent points, and both were right, its all a matter of scenario.
As for cons... im definitely going to otakon next year no question if it means I'll get to meet all you people. That would be very very cool.


He didnt actualy post the pic, he simply hot linked to a funny picture from SomthingAwful.com that he wanted to share, but that was right after SA had put up their new (and rather terrible) anti leech protocol.
Ugh, I remember the day they did that well, twas truely a dark dark day on every forum known to man :(

Sorry to stray off topic guys, I just didnt feel sombody should have a partial understanding of the situation and give Ermac shit for it.
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Postby Koopiskeva » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:04 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:I don't want to sound all cynical, but the truth is, what we say online actually holds more truth than what we say in 'reality' so to speak. When a person speaks to someone in real life, most try to show respect and don't try to show what they are really thinking.


That sounds correct in theory but in practice it doesn't hold true. I've thought bad things about people based on what I've seen online and then met them to realise that I was just misinterpreting them. It's not about showing respect, it's about actually understanding them. I think this is a key issue. What we say can easily be misconstrued but when you meet someone in real life it is much easier to judge their character.




You can't really judge a book by its cover. Just because you meet someone for a few days, doesn't mean you understand them. Everyone has issues. People can put on masks for a few days, weeks or even years to hide their true feelings. The truth is, the true character of a person doesn't reveal itself in a matter of days. I totally agree with you that understading is the keyword in this matter, but I just don't believe that meeting someone for a few days will really prove anything. Most people aren't shallow and have many different sides to them, they might show you one side when they finally meet you, but that doesn't mean that you truely understand where they are coming from.
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Postby mexicanjunior » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:07 pm

Koopiskeva wrote: Most people aren't shallow and have many different sides to them, they might show you one side when they finally meet you, but that doesn't mean that you truely understand where they are coming from.


Indeed, I can't wait to meet you IRL so I can hide how much I hate you to your face. :wink:
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Re: Wow

Postby Paul Kievits » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:08 pm

anneke wrote:I find a 6 page thread that I didn't see yesterday...wow...oh wait I didn't check yesterday...my mistake.

Things I've observed. West Coast creators are VERY different from the East Coast creators in general and yet on the whole. I wish I was an East coast creator.

The big difference I've noticed between East & West is that on the East coast the creators see each other more, where on the West we have basically 2 real conventions (Fanime and AX) and they are still 6 hrs travel time away from each other. So the creators don't see each other much, much less hang out. To many walls around us.


Sounds like a east coast west coast gang war ;)
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Postby Koopiskeva » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:10 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote: Most people aren't shallow and have many different sides to them, they might show you one side when they finally meet you, but that doesn't mean that you truely understand where they are coming from.


Indeed, I can't wait to meet you IRL so I can hide how much I hate you to your face. :wink:




OMG.. I'm sooo like.. gonna fist you for that

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P.S. I hate you too :D
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Re: Wow

Postby mexicanjunior » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:12 pm

Vegeta for president wrote:
Sounds like a east coast west coast gang war ;)


I wonder which coast TX is under? :shock: Maybe we are neutral. =P
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Postby Hitori » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:13 pm

Nothing is real!!!
How do you know it's real!!!

We only think it's real because of our senses...
Reality is only a figment of our imagination because
our brain tells us it's real. Is this really us?
We're only 1's and 0's here in the cyber world...

Am I really here? Are you really there?
Anyone know what is really going on?

Think about it!!!

Blah blah blah!!!!!! Get back on topic and out of the clouds! :lol:

As stated before:
*These were based my opinions and nothing else. If there is something wrong with my thoughts on this matter, don't take it personal because it's just an opinion and not the facts!*
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Re: Wow

Postby Hitori » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:14 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:I wonder which coast TX is under? :shock: Maybe we are neutral. =P
South Central coast!! 8)
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Postby Koopiskeva » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:15 pm

omg! i'm in the matrix! AHHH!!! let me out!!!


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Postby RadicalEd0 » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:25 pm

You only believe that you have learned. The fact is that people really dont understand themselves, much less each other. Understanding 100% of anything is impossible. Thats why we spend so much time trying to understand our own motivations and those of others. Thats what makes life so interesting.


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Postby Stryker » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:54 pm

I’ve been reading this topic on and off all day, this is one a hell of a thread :shock: , and so I hope that I can keep true to the original topic. :roll: But to do so, you should know my background and then consider my thoughts on the matter.

When I first started coming to the org I was tickled pink to see that so many others had a interest in anime and amvs, but when I started to get serious, (meaning, to truly put real effort into my work) I started to read the forums and wanted to post many questions to better my abilities. But after seeing flame after flame directed towards almost any newbie that posted anything that resembled a question, it discouraged me to ask the questions that I wanted to ask. Hell one attempt that I made to post on a topic (a simple mentioning, that there is more than one way to rip a DVD sans Ermac’s guide) other than announcing my new videos left me roasted to a flaming crisp, even more discouragement. So, it’s not like I didn’t make a effort to try. But alas, this is one of the main reasons that I have a really low post count. Kind of puts a bit of a damper on the creator helping creator thing. :?

And now here’s how I see it:

I’ll probably never get to a con of any sort, or will get very few chances to meet up with other members of the org. There are probably dozens, hell, maybe thousands that never will. So basically, what me and the other ####’s take in from a creator’s personality on the forums and the chats is basically how we see said creator, we have hardly any other choice to.

So...It's all in how you present yourself.


I imagine that as I type this out, there is probably even more post being added to the thread and my post will get lost in the back draft of better know members… :roll: I had to say what was on my mine about the whole deal.
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:21 pm

took the words out of my mouth stryker.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
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Postby The Wired Knight » Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:46 pm

Ok to take the part of this flame war and attempt to bring it back on topic. I think al ot of the flame wars and problems stem from one person's personal spite or hate towards one specific creator. I'm not going to preach about how we should all be friends (cause there's a couple people on this board I don't personally care for either) but you shouldn't let that take you to the point that you are defiling an otherwise pleasent board. I wasn't here for the Ermac incident and from the way things sound I'm glad I wasn't but deadwood such as that shouldn't be brought up on random occassions and instigate the problems. I think this is partially the reason Panda started the thread, because things like this occur just too damn much. Learn to control yourself, tact is a wonderfull thing.
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Postby SarahtheBoring » Thu Oct 10, 2002 7:51 pm

Keep in mind this is from the POV of a non-congoer (at least in person, long story) and a casual AMV maker.


In about 1997 I got involved in Fandom A.
I saw:
- People schmoozing to other fans who were considered "elite" for various reasons
- People trying to prove they're bigger fans than everyone else
- People saying their fandom was more artistic/deep/important than any other fandom like it

In around 1999 I got involved in Fandom B.
I saw:
- People schmoozing to other fans who were considered "elite" for various reasons
- People constantly trying to outdo one another in various ways
- People rabidly and famously saying their fandom is ultimately better than anything else like it ever

My interest in B led to Fandom C.
I saw:
- People simultaneously schmoozing to and trying to outdo fans who were considered "elite" for various reasons
- People constantly trying to outdo one another and taking it very, very, very personally when they were told they came up short
- People claiming their fandom is high art despite its basis in plagiarism

In 2002 I got involved in Fandom D.
I saw:
- People schmoozing a bit, but more often idolizing other fans who were considered "elite" for various reasons
- People WITHOUT PAUSE TO BREATHE trying to outdo one another
- People claiming their fandom is high art despite its origins in plagiarism

Later in 2002 I got involved in Fandom E.
I saw:
- People schmoozing violently with other fans who were considered "elite" for various reasons
- People viciously competing to the point where they <i>daily</i> hold symbolic cock-waving contests about who has flashier work
- People claiming their fandom is high art despite its origins in plagiarism and piracy


Now. This is merely an illustration of what has already been said. However, through all this, I haven't given up. My favorite motto nowadays is "There's no fun activity that an online community can't ruin", but I still hope for civil and adult activity from my fellow fans. And that's what I consider you all. Fellow fans.

"In the end, all we're doing is sticking music that we didn't write to anime we didn't animate" is a much more cogent statement of what my sig and other bitchings are trying to say: This is fun. Tons of fun. However, it is not more than life, and it destroys its meaning to use it as a weapon against others, saying "I'm a better person because I can rip off other people better than you can."

So I agree with many people here, including SpPanda (I don't feel I know you well enough to call ya Spamda ;)).


(And if you're wondering, though it defeats the purpose really, A is U2 fandom, B is Final Fantasy fandom, C is fanficcery, D is AMVing, and E is homebrew RPG making. See? No one is safe.)


That's all the stupid bitch has to say. Thank you.
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