The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

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The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

Postby SpPANDA » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:13 pm

The attitudes of an AMV creator are fickle...

I haven't been making AMVs too long, but within the time i've been making them and competing in competitioni've noticed the attitudes that most AMV creators carry. It's hard to respect that there have been so many good videos created by countless artests, but when you look at the person who created it you see nothing but an egotistical jack ass.

Sure everyone (most everyone) on this forum creates music videos. I can see that. What I don't get are the number of creators (at this point I'll start reffering to the creators as 'editors', or 'artists' as well) who believe that creating the video puts them at a much higher level than the viewer.

There's no AMV Heirarchy people. being an AMV Artist doesn't allow you to walk around thinking you're tough shit. Sure being the Editor of such an AMV should give you a feeling of accomplishment over the crowd, but in no way does it make you better than the audience, the judges, or even your fellow Editors. It's flat out DISRESPECTFUL to try to claim who's better than who.

everyone... shines in their own field. you shouldn't pop someone's bubble just because you think you have the right to disown the AMV Artists because you won an award over them. Awards are nothing but popularity contests. I learned that. And now I know.

I've seen and heard stories of AMV Creators bitch and whine to get their way at conventions because they think they're special. but you know what? you shouldn't be getting any special priveleges. I don't care who you are.

Another example might include the 'newbie'. a newbie joins this forum to get help. to meet people. and when they ask "Who do you make an AMV?" they're not trying to be annoying. they ask out of curiousity. and to get a deeper understanding of how the creation of such a thing begins. how does this community treat that 'newbie'? you all flame them. everyone. you all flame them. and make them feel insignificant. you belittle them to the point where you make them believe the AMV community as a whole are just assholes. It's happend to me once or twice too. I ask a simple question and everyone blows up at me. "Where's Kevin Cawldwell?" i asked. and i wont even list the names of the people who flamed me. I was hurt. my community is too egotistical.

I've also noticed the changes in attitudes among award winners at conventions. I've seen 'nobodys' win awards and rub it in people's faces. the awards are for fun, i've always thought. If I won an award i'd be proud. I'd be confused why I won, but i'd be proud when i got home. I'd mention it along with the video's info, but i'd never stick it in someone's face.

My videos suck.

i've talked to people. people who tell me how much of a ass THIS person is.. or how much an ass THAT person is. and i argree. i hate to say it, but i agree.

TommyRude for example... FOR EXAMPLE!
he's not the best AMV editor out there. he may not have any awards under his belt, but... when he says he wants to make a DDR project... who are we to tell him to go to hell? to tell him to kiss our asses because the rights to the idea are ours? how easy you all forget that teh anime we're using isn't ours. the music... isn't our own. we have no rights to anything. and if anything.. im sure we can get in trouble for doing what we're doing. its utter nonsense. And so what is Tommy is an ass alot of the times? he's also a good guy too. but you dont knwo this because you're all too caught up with your heads in the clouds.

Ermac is another example. EXAMPLE!
people hate him. why? hell if i know... or care for that matter. he thinks he's up on the "heirarchy" along with many others... maybe his ego irritates others. maybe others are jealous? but jealous of what? the number of awards he has? awards aren't anything to lable anybody with.

who has the right to decide who's Elite? what is elite? why are these people elite? how do you become elite? Elite members... have the worst attitudes of them all. They act as though their shit doesn't stink. I'd like to see them prove me wrong.

This is embarrassing... the community we're creating... this isn't how it should be. I've always been kind enough to help people with questions they need help on. i've always been kind enough to critique their videos too. it's the least i can do. you should all consider helping out... you can't make amvs your whole lives...

it's only a hobby.

it's not a profession.
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Postby Lyrs » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:18 pm

Amen.
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Postby Chef » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:23 pm

you are right...and my vids suck balls, i make them cuz its fun
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Postby fyrtenheimer » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:23 pm

yeup
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Postby Koopiskeva » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:25 pm

I think we need to give you an award for this... :?



j/k..


I agree with what you said. :wink:
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:30 pm

The only noobs that deserve flaming are those who carry that obnoxious 'im teh coolest, check me out' or 'answer my questions becuz im special' attitude around. Otherwise, they're just like the rest of us were when we started. And personally I think I had a lot better ideas for how to make amvs cool before I actually became a creator.
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Postby OmniStrata » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:39 pm

I think of myself as a...

oh wait...

Nah, just a DDR enthusiast who tries things here and there. Though YES, people say I make too much dancy vids, I've done some dramatic dance (is that true? still unsure if such a term is feasible in an environment of one-way thinkers such as this...

People say I've become "one-way" myself making mostly upbeat stuff... hey, it's just the way I do things, if you like it fine, and YES, I'll be doing slower dramatic stuffs just to "try - it" so to speak. Thanks to Odorikuruu, I decided to "try" amv editing. Though I may not have the "super - eliteness" of some of the others, I'm trying to say "i'm not as noobish as some of you, but I'm still not 'pro' either..."

Good post Spamda!

It's not fair to others such as this... One person's truth is another person's lie right?

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Postby Zarxrax » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:39 pm

Yep. Another gripe I have is when someone just posts as a response "RATFAG" and links to something. For god's sake, at least bother to tell them, "hey here is a good guide that explains the answer to your question".
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Postby Jebadia » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:39 pm

someone (an ass) is probably going to eventually going to try to make a note on something wrong with your post thinking "Hey, he just called me an ass." But anywho, good points made, indeed people do "flame" too much, more than neccessary in this forum. Those that do, remember how it was when you didn't know how to "Make a video". I remember, and at the time the people where very considerate and somewhat patient with newbies, me being one of them. I try to help, but I've hardly been around this forum, usually just stop by the AMV announcments and opinion exchange. To me an award wouldn't mean much, if it where some trophy, a dvd, t-shirt, or something I can actually use is another story. My award is the audiences reaction, nothing gives more satisfaction on a job well done than the audiences' and your own reaction to a vid.
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Postby Lyrs » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:42 pm

Some the most original and creative ideas exist onlly in the minds of people who look to a dream and know nothing of limits. Limits, such as hard drive space, money for software/hardware, time spent learning, and everything else.

After you have added all those factors, the once bright idea becomes much more critical and the road to creation becomes an veritcal climb. and for new comers especially, since many don't have any experience in video editing at all.


My current project isn't what I first thought it'll be like. LOL...just gotta dream some more.
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Postby FirestormXIII » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:46 pm

I think Koop hit it right on the head when he said 'This thread is going to leave a lot of dead bodies behind.'

But I agree with what SpPanda said, and I myself have been guilty of at least one thing he mentioned: flaming newbies who come and ask for help. I don't do it all the time, in fact recently I've been in the practice of trying to be as helpful as possible to people that ask for help. It's sad that a lot of people forget that at one point they were newbies in this too, regardless of whether or not .org actually existed when they started.

I'm pretty sure everyone needed some kind of help when they started, and though many of us read the guides, understood them, and simply worked through a lot of our smaller problems with Premiere and those types of tools, not everyone understands as readily, or even knows where to start with something like Premiere.

A lot of people say newbies are simply 'too lazy' or 'want to be lead through every step'. And admittedly, there are those newbies that are like that, but most are not. How are they to know that people have asked the same questions they've asked 1,000,000*10^100 times? It's not their aim to annoy the crap out of us, though that is often the end result. I think we take out whatever frustrations we might be having during the day/night/whatever on newbies far too easily.

I must say I haven't noticed the newbie flaming nearly as much on the new forum though (probably because the flame-worthy 'wrong forum' posts are moved by the Mods. Thank you Mods, you do good work :wink: )
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Postby BogoSort » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:57 pm

It's not that any "elite" editors on here were telling TommyRude to goto hell. They were informing him that what he was doing was disrespectful to what they were trying to do with the DDR project. They announced their intent to go through each of the DDR mixes, and they are all in the works. TommyRude clearly knew this, but yet, instead of offering to help with the mix that was further down the pipe, he just decided to call it his own project, and end up with 2 competing DDR mixes. Personally I think that this is a grievous insult to the people who spent lots of time and effort on the DDR project. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are part of your so called "elite" editors. We've got this thing called a Social Contract, that says that there's a certain amount of respect that you should give to anyone until they do something to lose that respect. TommyRude obviously didn't extend this respect to the people who worked on the DDR project by trying to startup a competing project.

The defense of TommyRude's attempt to create a competing DDR project is laughable. You deny their ability justify asking TommyRude to work on a non-competing project since they have a lot of manpower put into it already by saying that none of their work is original. If it wasn't original, then why is it such a great hit? Why wasn't this made many years ago, when 3rd mix first came out? That's because someone had to come up with the idea before it could be done. I doubt they would have any problem if Tommy decided to just take 3rd mix and make an entire music video to it by himself, or with a couple of his friends. But they had many troubles in getting videos on time for the project, and didn't want to see people split about which project to join. This sort of competition is exactly what you're saying is bad, and yet you argue for TommyRude to feel free to draw editors to work on his project which is basically indentical in idea, content, and scope?

If he wanted to help the DDR project by doing one of their mixes, he could talk to the people that worked on it, and volunteer to help. I assume that he didn't extend them that courtesy, and set out soley to compete against them. There are plenty of potential projects that are similar in concept to the DDR project that wouldn't be directly competing with it, but would rather be competing for people on the basis of which idea do they like better. Think of already established projects like the AniPara project, or the NES mix. Or I can even come up with a bunch of potential ideas, like do an entire musical like Les Mis, or maybe take a piece of powerful classical music like Carmina Burama.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:58 pm

I must say I haven't noticed the newbie flaming nearly as much on the new forum though


ya i gotta admit there isnt all that much of this really, you should go to doom9 :shock: ask something thats already been asked and u get "use teh search button, srike"

You'd think I'd be all.. newbs need to figure it out for themselves, because much of what I leared about video back a year ago when I was just starting I learned myself by testing and retesting until I got it right, no forums, no help. But instead I figure since I have that knowledge not sharing it would be a waste and while people would still benefit more from doing their own testing and work, theres no need for them to make all the same errors befire getting a good result.
So basically, noobs are better off learning through trial and error, but theres no harm in sharing your experiences with them. And no need to discourage them with flames unless they've done something flameworthy.
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Postby kilik^ » Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:59 pm

the best post i have read on this forum! :D im sure that a lot of people feel the same way that u do SpPANDA , but u where the one that said out loud.

If people here want this community to grow , somethings need to be changed
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:00 am

ehh... *strike
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