Year of Slump

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Year of Slump

Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:34 pm

Year of slump MY ASS!!!!!


that's all I have to say about that. 8)
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Re: Year of Slump

Postby Kusoyaro » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:43 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Year of slump MY ASS!!!!!

WHAT did you do to your ass? :wink:
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:45 pm

Hsien, I don't think that's something we should inquire into.
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Postby Rozard » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:46 pm

Well, I guess it's OK for Hsien, seeing as he tells everyone his pants are assless :shock:
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Re: Year of Slump

Postby VegettoEX » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:48 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Year of slump MY ASS!!!!!


I've gotta both agree and disagree with you.

Myself and lots of friends truly did consider the year a slump, and I still partly do... up until AWA, which is what I'm sure you're referring to.

This is cool, because it means that people (LOTS of people!) had LOTS of REALLY good videos!

It's also a shame that so many were held off until AWA. This, of course, could have been for several reasons (maybe they just didn't get any decent concepts for videos until around the AWA time.. I know that's how it was for me).

If people have been sitting on videos for a while to send them to AWA, that's kinda sad, the way I see it. I don't think all the good videos should be held onto just for one con, despite how well AMVs are handled there. True, it's a great place to see new material and a great way to get exposure, but I would have loved to have seen this quality of work from SO many people in the earlier eight months of the year ^^;; (not that there weren't some spectacular videos earlier this year, because there were... but the last two weeks have brought so much it makes my head explode!).

I think I just confused myself. Thoughts?
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Postby Kusoyaro » Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:56 pm

Mike, thanks for bringing it back on topic :) I was afraid I had derailed the thread before it even started :oops:


I don't particularly a year of slump. I've been attending contests since '98, and way back then, you were lucky to get one or two well-edited videos. Now, EVERY video is well-edited. The quality of the editing is hardly an issue any more 80% of the time. I think we're just so used to seeing universally decent videos nowadays, it's much less of a rollercoaster ride, and we're less enthused when a truly good video comes up. Or something.
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Postby The Wired Knight » Wed Oct 02, 2002 4:03 pm

I never did even consider it a year of slump. Who said that anyway? i've always felt that the AMV world gets more competitive every year and that means more creators and more great videos so there has been little to derail that. Sure there are bad cons and bad contests but I don't feel they harm the medium at all.
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Postby Paul Kievits » Wed Oct 02, 2002 4:44 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:I never did even consider it a year of slump. Who said that anyway?


Read NightOwl's journal from a while back, that was a good read ^_^.
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Postby aluminumstudios » Thu Oct 03, 2002 9:12 am

At Otakon I was thinking it was a year of slump ... then I realized how the average quality had risen so much and so had my expectations.

I think I personally am just getting "used" to AMVs and a little jaded, so it takes something really special to catch my attention. It's been harder for well edited "traditional" AMVs to excite me here lately.

However, AWA completely changed that. I saw a ton of creative, unique videos (such as Ian's Eva/Kare Kano, the Initial D vid, Vlad's and others,) as well as some really excellent "traditonially" edited videos (such as Hsein's Miazaki vid, Jason's "Do the Evolution," and one of my personal favorites - Darius Washington's Careless Whisper video from Pro) I'm excited about the medium as a whole again.

Even though I'm guilty of it, I can see how it can be damaging to hold all of the good vids for AWA. But I can understand it with AWA being at the pinnacle of what we do. I personally try to send videos to cons that I'll be attending. I also don't want to send my vids to cons that do a poor job of the AMV contest (such as AX or even Anime North after seeing how bad my video looked and sounded on their system (it was a fun con though and I'll return.))

So I guess I initially thought it was the year of slump, no I'm seeing it as a year of change and shifting trends. It'll be curious to see what happens next year.
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Postby Kusoyaro » Thu Oct 03, 2002 9:46 am

I don't mean to "sandbag" for AWA or whatnot...but I think a big part of it is that so many contests have been run so poorly this year (Katsucon, AX, etc.) that people have been pretty demoralized..and AWA is always guaranteed to handle the contests well because of the dedicated VAT staff.

I've really only had videos for AWA these past two years. Reason being is that when I see deadlines for contests slip by, I get a little disappointed with myself, but life goes on. But when it comes to AWA -- I don't let it slide.
I've practically killed myself this year to get my videos done because it means so much to have videos for AWA.

I'd love to have videos in more contests spread throughout the year, but when I can only get around to making 2 videos in a year, there's no question as to where they're going :/
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:26 am

Kusoyaro wrote:I don't mean to "sandbag" for AWA or whatnot...but I think a big part of it is that so many contests have been run so poorly this year (Katsucon, AX, etc.)


Yeah, I'd definitely agree there.

For example Robert Cole's 'Everybody's free to watch anime', which so deservingly won an award at the awa expo, was entered into AX. However, since it's not really suited to categories it was swamped in the comedy category. I think all of the AX entries were unlucky to be entered into that contest as it did nothing to help promote the videos due to the generally negative feelings about the contest.

and yes, AX wasn't the only poor contest this year.

Ah well, it doesnt really matter, there was a great appreciation of the hobby at AWA so I think we'll see more great things next year.
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Postby Big Big Truck » Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:27 am

I applaud Darius' "Careless Whisper" video for proving to us all that traditional videos can still rock the house. No super-fancy effects, no 2-week-old-only-in-Japan anime... just a good solid video. Great stuff.
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Postby Fluxmeister » Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:35 am

If this year was a slump... then was last year the pinnacle of amvs? :P

Comparing last year and this year (uhm due to my own suicidal jump into
amving Jan of 2001)... Both were awesome. Last year saw the bloom of
a community, the explosion of interest, and many outright amazing videos.

This year has seen the skills of many editors honed and the standards raised (not just in editing but in methods etc.). If one thing stands out to me about this year, it's the dive into some of the most technical and imaginative effects... something I am not sure I played much of a role in! :oops: LOL!

Image Matte? Whazzzat? :wink:

This year has just as many amazing videos as the last. I stand by this especially after seeing many of the videos at AWA.

I try to equally appreciate technical videos and normal cut videos. Both, if implemented well, can be amazing. I hold a bit of a concern that some people pass up the 'normal cut' videos simply because they don't implement some new effect or attempt to revolutionize the world. If this is the goal of amv editing, then I must have forgotten to read the rules. :P
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Postby Kusoyaro » Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:54 am

Fluxmeister wrote:Image Matte? Whazzzat? :wink:

I try to equally appreciate technical videos and normal cut videos. Both, if implemented well, can be amazing. I hold a bit of a concern that some people pass up the 'normal cut' videos simply because they don't implement some new effect or attempt to revolutionize the world. If this is the goal of amv editing, then I must have forgotten to read the rules. :P

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Postby Nightowl » Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:26 pm

I feel the need to actually post something in the forum due to the fact I've been a great part in describing this past year as the "year of slump." There are a couple of things I have to say about this... First, I always believed the "year of slump" began after AWA of last year. This is why I said I'd reserve my final personal (yes, personal, I'm not condemning the world, these are my personal opinions) analysis until after AWA of this year.

I must say, AWA8 had an incredible work turnout. The majority of you did some amazing work that I will not easily forget. For the first time in a long time, I once again have AMVs I actually enjoy watching on a daily basis.

This is not to say everyone sucked in the past year - there was some incredible work turned out. It's just that the bad outweighed the good. Yes, I'm severly judgemental, but that's only because I've witnessed this steady decline. I'm hoping AWA isn't the only place the goodness and happiness of conceptual video making will be present. Just because a contest is small doesn't mean it's not important.

In the end, this is all a hobby, and we should be a lot more laid back about the whole thing. Er, I. Well, we. A lot of people take a lot of things way too seriously. Yes, I can get bitter, but that's mostly because for me, this is simply a hobby, not a contest of popularity. I like to have fun with a video, and when some snot-nosed little dick waltzes in and claims my shit is no better than the rat turds he finds on 42nd, it miffs me a little, as I'm sure it does others as well.

I believe I was initially upset about this topic and the aforementioned "year of slump" mostly because I've come to hate the forums. I love the cons. I love the con atmosphere. I love partying with you guys. Ian, I never thanked you for allowing me to relive one of my favorite things to do back in my Brooklyn days. That was awesome. Everyone at AWA was great. It was fun, it was joyous.

Then I come back to these forums and while the majority of the people who attended AWA (and were able to finally put faces to the community) are rather gracious and in tune with a much more family atmosphere of a community, I still find a lot of petty, competitive people. Everyone was gracious and thankful at the con. The forums are another matter.

So, in the end, I suppose my real problem is that I love cons, I love hanging out with you guys, even if I don't know (or don't remember... ahem...) you. It's the forums I tend to loathe.

But then, what do I know. I'm a fuckin newbie.

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