Feastibilty study on setting up AMV hosting...

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Feastibilty study on setting up AMV hosting...

Postby Gottaname » Tue Aug 20, 2002 7:19 pm

I'm considering setting up a server to cater for AMV hosting (Which will come online at the end of this year IF this study proves satisfactory), which I believe there is none around. I was wondering whether you guys would like to give me some feedback.

The plan goes like this: I will have free AMV hosting and paid one, the difference is that for the free service, you will have maybe around 20MB to 35MB (I'm not decided on the size yet but rest assured, it will be enough for at least one :) ), the registration will be done MANUALLY and SELECTIVELY aka by e-mail, this is to prevent mulitiple account creation, using the storage space for other things besides AMVs, webhosting hogging and other reasons that causes every free webhoster's nightmare. The free service will have tighter rules than the paid hosting, rules such as the usual, no porn etc, etc and a few others (They will not be unreasonable, don't worry) but the only thing scary is the penaltly for breaking the rules, you will be banned from the service entirely free and paid ones and your name will be stuck our "I took advantage of this goodwill site and now I'm banned for life." Page. Of course, if you stick to the rules, we will not do anything to you, this penalty is only for the rotten eggs.

The paid hosting on the other hand will have you own FTP account, at least 40MB to 60MB (I'm still deciding!), possibly you own e-mail, the cost would be around USD$12 - $15 a year (Cheap considering the fact the most webhosting companies make you pay this price A MONTH), additional space will be charged at USD$4 - $5 for 10MB per year (10MB allows you to have one 4 minute AMV under Windows Movie Maker compression).

Oh yeah, one more thing, all accounts will have no file transfer limit, the wonders of unlimited internet connection :)

I will be thinking about more deals but this is the basis of them. If you have any comments whether you like it or can suggest a better raw deal (but it has to at least generate some cash so that I can keep the server running, I can't run the server if it inccurs huge losses, maintaining it will cost a bit but like I said, don't worry! I will try my best to give the lowest price ever possible) so paste up your comments!!!!
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Postby Sidicas » Tue Aug 20, 2002 7:41 pm

Yay! Looks like I'm the first one to say it.....

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ok I'm hungry now...later
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Re: Feastibilty study on setting up AMV hosting...

Postby Sidicas » Tue Aug 20, 2002 7:59 pm

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Gottaname wrote:you will have maybe around 20MB to 35MB (I'm not decided on the size yet but rest assured, it will be enough for at least one :)


Most of the "real" AMV makers who use rips from their DVDs to make their AMVs would have no use with such little space for it would barely hold half a vid...Unfortunately it is these people who are in the most need of web hosting and are also the most deserving of it.

Gottaname wrote:the registration will be done MANUALLY and SELECTIVELY aka by e-mail this is to prevent mulitiple account creation,

I can create an unlimited number of e-mail addresses for my domian as well as for any subdomains I create...how are you going to sort out different people from the same e-mail domain from those who just create more e-mail addresses under that domain?


Gottaname wrote:but the only thing scary is the penaltly for breaking the rules, you will be banned from the service entirely free and paid ones and your name will be stuck our "I took advantage of this goodwill site and now I'm banned for life." Page.

I could just make up a new Alias...Can't let my valuable l33t AMV creator reputation (hehe yea right) get ruined.

Gottaname wrote:
Oh yeah, one more thing, all accounts will have no file transfer limit, the wonders of unlimited internet connection :)

Prob with that is some of the "real" AMV creators (again unlike myself) could use up insane amounts of bandwidth for insanely long periods of time...As always "Unlimited" is never the dictionary term of unlimited unless you own your own pipe and servers. Though it appears that you might be getting your hands on a good server and possibly a shotgunned (multi) DSL setup. But even still...there are very real limits..

Gottaname wrote:
so paste up your comments!!!!

Again, any "real" AMV creator would have no use for this...I however could make serious use of this...Though I am very impatient

Gottaname wrote:(Which will come online at the end of this year IF this study proves satisfactory),

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Postby Sidicas » Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:21 pm

heh..almost furgot...
<a href="mailto:sidicas@sidicas.us">keep me updated</a>
Oh, and It'd be cool if you could support FXP 'cause I'm on a 56k. Just a suggestion :wink:
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Postby afleetinghope » Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:37 pm

Yeah, your server space is way too small, anyone worth a damn wouldn't want to make the quality of their video suck just to make it fit.

And what about bandwidth?
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Here's the tech spec's

Postby Gottaname » Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:26 pm

Well, the system is probably going to be either a P2 or P3 with a 80GB drive for this (In addition for the server's main C drive whcih is 20GB and can be upgraded to 80 GB as well), I'm now scraping my 256k DSL connection for 512K ADSL, if this goes well and if I earn enough profits $$$ :D , I will setup another server with another ADSL connection and space. Ever heard of compression? I build videos using DVDs as what you've mention, under high quality compression in windows movie maker, the file will never exceed 20MB unless you're doing a 10 minute or more AMW. And don't complain, I'm already charging peanuts for hosting, and as I said, the space will be under evalution, I have to check on the AMVs... and their creators...
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Postby Sierra Lorna » Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:52 pm

How are you planning on receiving money from us? Mail?

I might be interested in this... 40-60 megs is enough for 1 of my AMVs but I'll probably be wanting to put up at least 2 or more. Actually, my Cheerleading video is only 34.9 megs, so it just squeaks into the "free" range. As for my others...*takes out calculator*

1 AMV = 50 MB = $15 US = $24 Canadian/year +
Another 50 MB AMV = 50 + 50 = 100 MB for 2 vids... 3x$5 for the extra space = another $15 = $24 CAN
So, $48/year for 2 AMVS, which is $4 CAN/month, at the most.

Eep. ...I'm not quite sure about this yet. Maybe, could you please e-mail me: sierra_lorna@yahoo.ca and fill me in on some more info?

Thanks for the offer!
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Re: Here's the tech spec's

Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Tue Aug 20, 2002 11:06 pm

Gottaname wrote:Well, the system is probably going to be either a P2 or P3 with a 80GB drive for this (In addition for the server's main C drive whcih is 20GB and can be upgraded to 80 GB as well), I'm now scraping my 256k DSL connection for 512K ADSL, if this goes well and if I earn enough profits $$$ :D , I will setup another server with another ADSL connection and space. Ever heard of compression? I build videos using DVDs as what you've mention, under high quality compression in windows movie maker, the file will never exceed 20MB unless you're doing a 10 minute or more AMW. And don't complain, I'm already charging peanuts for hosting, and as I said, the space will be under evalution, I have to check on the AMVs... and their creators...


Actually, an avarage resonable quality video will most likely be over 30 megs anything smallar unless the video is quite short is not worth the sacrifice on quality. If you download most videos, the codex of choice is Mpeg1 or Divixx and I've not seen too many below 20 megs! This is not a complaint, but just pointing how much space the majority of videos take.

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Postby Melfina » Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:08 am

www.moobies.net <---runs a similar website....maybe we could linkup...or talk...or something:)

God spam is great isnt it:)

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Did a little recalculating...

Postby Gottaname » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:10 am

Okay, I've worked out a new plan, but this will have no free hosting as the space will be shot up to 100MB, reasonable right? I will still be charging the same USD$15 (Even though I'm trying to earn a slight profit, I'm still a AMV guy at heart :) and I know how it feels) and additional space will rounded off to USD$5 per 10MB. Yes, your cash got to be mailed by check (from an international bank, citibank or something) or postal order, and plz, no money in the mail and all currency in USD.
You may be wondering why I'm charging this at abnormally low prices, this is because I already have the infrastructure in place and that I know there are some seriously pissed off ppl out there in need of this, lots of them. Oh, more on the systems we are running, chances are the server will be running on Apache or Windows 2000 server, but I prefer the latter. This may I remind you guys is a study to check whether my service will thrive in the AMV universe, it may or may not succeed as the choice is up to you guys, if this service thrives, then I will lauch and build more server's and hopefully I can increase the space, you see if everyone contributes a little, everyone will benefit.
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Re: Feastibilty study on setting up AMV hosting...

Postby AMVUserII » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:24 am

Gottaname wrote:I'm considering setting up a server to cater for AMV hosting (Which will come online at the end of this year IF this study proves satisfactory), which I believe there is none around. I was wondering whether you guys would like to give me some feedback.

The plan goes like this: I will have free AMV hosting and paid one, the difference is that for the free service, you will have maybe around 20MB to 35MB (I'm not decided on the size yet but rest assured, it will be enough for at least one :) ), the registration will be done MANUALLY and SELECTIVELY aka by e-mail, this is to prevent mulitiple account creation, using the storage space for other things besides AMVs, webhosting hogging and other reasons that causes every free webhoster's nightmare. The free service will have tighter rules than the paid hosting, rules such as the usual, no porn etc, etc and a few others (They will not be unreasonable, don't worry) but the only thing scary is the penaltly for breaking the rules, you will be banned from the service entirely free and paid ones and your name will be stuck our "I took advantage of this goodwill site and now I'm banned for life." Page. Of course, if you stick to the rules, we will not do anything to you, this penalty is only for the rotten eggs.

The paid hosting on the other hand will have you own FTP account, at least 40MB to 60MB (I'm still deciding!), possibly you own e-mail, the cost would be around USD$12 - $15 a year (Cheap considering the fact the most webhosting companies make you pay this price A MONTH), additional space will be charged at USD$4 - $5 for 10MB per year (10MB allows you to have one 4 minute AMV under Windows Movie Maker compression).

Oh yeah, one more thing, all accounts will have no file transfer limit, the wonders of unlimited internet connection :)

I will be thinking about more deals but this is the basis of them. If you have any comments whether you like it or can suggest a better raw deal (but it has to at least generate some cash so that I can keep the server running, I can't run the server if it inccurs huge losses, maintaining it will cost a bit but like I said, don't worry! I will try my best to give the lowest price ever possible) so paste up your comments!!!!


You guys should have a bit more apreciation for stuff like this.

Although personally this "free" plan would only be used for me as just a mirror.

And just so I understand this correctly we can only have one free account?

And as for the paid account can we have more than one? I've got the money to pay for more than one but it would kinda suck if we couldn't have more than one.

And i want a contract i'm not gonna pay and not get what I payed for. (even if it is just $15 still!!)

I want to be re-assured that i get what i payed for or else i'll have to resort to legal action.

Not that it would come to that......but still.....I'm a business man.

And one more thing we can only use the account for just AMVs?

What about VGMVs? Or Music Vids in general that use Animation other than Jap-Style Anime?

What about Anime oriented media? Like Anime Music.

Just thought i'd bring this to your attention.
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Postby Melfina » Wed Aug 21, 2002 10:10 am

wow im only charging $4 a month for 100 megs of unlimited bandwidth....and im making a profit....Hmmmm
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Postby Melfina » Wed Aug 21, 2002 10:11 am

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Answering more questions...

Postby Gottaname » Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:03 am

I'll consider what you said Antonio Zalles, and yes, I will give my assurances that my service will have all the paperwork and protocols involved in protecting the interests of my customers and Melfina, I'm running my own server, I really don't need to buy any of your space.
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Re: Here's the tech spec's

Postby afleetinghope » Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:52 am

Gottaname wrote:Ever heard of compression? I build videos using DVDs as what you've mention, under high quality compression in windows movie maker, the file will never exceed 20MB unless you're doing a 10 minute or more AMW. And don't complain, I'm already charging peanuts for hosting, and as I said, the space will be under evalution, I have to check on the AMVs... and their creators...


Yes, I know about compression. That allows me to take my 3gb original video down to a managable 30-50mb file.

And you maybe charging peanuts, but there's still better packages out there (powweb) then this.
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