Divx Encoding

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Divx Encoding

Postby staticninja » Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:44 am

i have seen some videos and some anime come off the net that looks as good as it would on a dvd now does any one know which version of divx they used and what settings? would like to get some of my captures to look THAT good.

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Postby turboneko » Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:49 am

They may seem to look good but, believe me, DVD quality is sooooo much higher :)

You may try to read ErMaC's guide on this site or just refer to Doom9 in the guides section. And remember, the higher the bitrate the better (usually) the quality[/url]
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Postby Sub0 » Mon Jul 01, 2002 12:30 pm

turboneko wrote:They may seem to look good but, believe me, DVD quality is sooooo much higher :)

You may try to read ErMaC's guide on this site or just refer to Doom9 in the guides section. And remember, the higher the bitrate the better (usually) the quality[/url]


I agree, remember it's HIGHLY doubtful that the thing has AC3 encoding... but I can't confirm, though I've seen AWESOME rips I can hardly tell between stereo and mono sound let alone AC3 etc...

also real dvd footage can be rewound faster and when you do, you don't usually have to wait for the video stream too catch up...

Anyway as far as video is concerned it's probly DivX 4, 2-pass encode at a 2000 bitrate and at like 720x480 straight off the disc. Anyway this' just a guess but ;-p
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Mon Jul 01, 2002 12:54 pm

You can very easily encode completely artifact free with RealVideo 9 @ 768 kbps (320x240). XviD is good stuff too and I'd guess most of what you're talking about was encoded with Nandub and tweaked to death, which isnt fun. The best quality codec for anime is clearly real 9 though, real 8 was even better than most other codecs back in its day.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Mon Jul 01, 2002 12:56 pm

ah sub you replied while I was writing, I doubt its DivX 4 as that was never really a great codec, DivX 3 with SBC beat it pretty easily.
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Postby JCD » Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:20 pm

I use DivX 5x with 2pass and this looks very good. remember to lower the resolution with the bitrate. take a resolution from 384x288 and upper, but not too high, then it looks not much better
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Postby Sub0 » Tue Jul 02, 2002 2:47 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:ah sub you replied while I was writing, I doubt its DivX 4 as that was never really a great codec, DivX 3 with SBC beat it pretty easily.


hehehe a smarty newbie ;-p I gotta try that XviD (DivX backwards ;-p).... and to tell you the truth, this Real9 is new too me.... if it has anything to doo with RealMedia I shall have to choke someone ;-p
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Tue Jul 02, 2002 3:13 pm

Gah. What the |autodub| is with you people and RealNetworks. GET OVER IT. There is no spyware anymore O.O RealVideo 9 is the best out there for encoding anime. What happened with Beta? The superior format lost because of stupid people issues. You gonna do that to Real? Fine, but my videos'll look better than yours o.o
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Postby Beowulf » Tue Jul 02, 2002 7:12 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:Gah. What the |autodub| is with you people and RealNetworks. GET OVER IT. There is no spyware anymore O.O RealVideo 9 is the best out there for encoding anime. What happened with Beta? The superior format lost because of stupid people issues. You gonna do that to Real? Fine, but my videos'll look better than yours o.o


que? I've heard nothing of this.

Is it really good for encoding? I could give a shit about spyware if it encodes better than divx which is currently the leader of the compression pack. Does it? If so gimme statistics and comperisons!
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Postby merrow » Wed Jul 03, 2002 2:11 am

I'm terrible with numbers and stats, and this isn't meant to pimp my videos, but if you want to see a comparison of what realplayer can do take a look at my "Into Night" Utena video http://www.animemusicvideos.org/legacy/video.php?v=6915. The .AVI version (encoded in divx 3.1 following ermac's guide) has a bitrate of 230 and is 60 mgs, the .RM (rp8 encoded) has a bitrate of 650 and is only 23 mb. I'm always much happier with the way my .RMs look over my other encodes.

Realmedia's stuff always gets a bad rap. Some of it's deserved. I *don't* like their player, it's a bit of a hog and I don't like propritery stuff. But most of the bad rap it's gotten is from its earlier efforts when the program did have spyware and the encodes looked awful. It's still really easy to make a bad .RM. It's just about as easy as it is to make a bad .AVI.

The main advantage to .RMs is the ability to make a decent looking file at a very small size. RMs enable me to make my videos available on the limited bandwith and space I have on my website, where I wouldn't be able to if I had them all in .AVI (though I do provide those via a personal ftp).

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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Jul 03, 2002 3:00 am

realplayer is good for small bitrates... but for large bitrates it's mp4 implementation is poor.
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Wed Jul 03, 2002 5:28 am

Call me old fasioned, but I use good old Mpeg-1. I edit with Divx/DVD -> HufYUV source material, but I still use mpeg-1. You can get some very good results from mpeg, and there are several advantages.

Firstly, Mpeg is time tested, devloped in the late 80's, and only changed a little to make Mpeg-2, used on DVD's.

Second, Mpeg is sturdy and durable, you never download an mpeg file that's sound won't play, unless someone for got to include sound, small errors in the mpeg don't crash the player, only cause a few visual glitches.

Third, Mpeg is a standard, Divx can very to a great amount, that customizability can be a great plus though, but I like Mpeg. Mpeg-1 can be played by by a 133mhz P1 running Win3.1. with nothing more then old fasioned media player.

On the other hand, if file size is an issue, I still recomend Divx. You get more bang for your buck, though CPU demands can be higher. I have issues running Divx 5 fansubs on my P5. :|

If you do use Divx, don't be stupid and use only 1 ' I ' frame, I hate that. :P
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Postby staticninja » Wed Jul 03, 2002 9:12 am

where can i get real 9?
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Wed Jul 03, 2002 10:08 pm

ninja:
http://forms.real.com/rnforms/products/tools/producerpreview9/index.html

its a 'preview' version, the actual producer program isnt released yet, but its the same thing with the same features, just no GUI

but thats why god made doom9, so here
http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/rm9/gui.html

ta-dah. If you need any help ask and I'll prolly know the answer

meh, mpeg's only advantage over real is the cpu power needed. Its only advantage against most compression formats is its widespread support, but Realplayer was rated as being installed on more systems than any other program in some survey some time a lil while back. Anyway, as for the player gripes, I really like RealOne, its better than wmp 8 imho
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Postby staticninja » Wed Jul 03, 2002 10:15 pm

thanks much
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