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Postby Ashton » Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:45 pm

It seems that in this forum, there is nothing that can be said or done to keep somebody from getting angry. Now I choose not to point fingers or name names or throw dirty words at people because I believe that there is a happy medium here somewhere. But I can’t help but feel that sometimes this forum is divided into two warring factions. On one side we have the ignorant newbies allied with well intended/less jaded veterans. On the other, we have those who have 100+ posts and those that wish please those with 100+ posts.
There is more point to this post than simply to discuss the nature of the difficulty, rather, it is to find a solution, and find that happy medium. So I ask you all, what is appropriate for the forums? Tell me which topics are acceptable in your opinion, and which should not be posted? (try to be general, as “FAVORITE POSTS SUCKZORZ!” doesn't help much)
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Postby dokidoki » Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:54 pm

I hope you weren't offended by my "favourite 'Favourite AMV' thread" post. I just meant it in fun.
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Postby RyanGlazner » Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:58 pm

The most common problem (that I can see) is that newbies in general tend to not read past posts on the forums and ask the same questions over and over. If people would just look around the forums and get a feel for how things go before posting, then things would go much smoother. For instance, there are many, many "favorite" threads that could easily be answered by reading the message archives (or using the forum search tool, which is quite good, BTW), yet new people post these all the time. Another example would be "How do I make AMVs" posts. These could easily be answered by looking through the forums a bit, and there's even a guide up now, yet we still get them.
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Postby Ashton » Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:59 pm

No, not you... it's just an attitude, that's all. I'm not offended by anything, and anybody I was offended by is now hereby forgiven :D (not that I expect anyone to forgive me the heinous crime of writing that pitiably misunderstood little thread :cry: )
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Postby trythil » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:08 am

This thread sucks.


No, seriously...

Some posts that I see on here could be answered much faster and easier by a 5-second trip to Google. Most of those posts deal with technical difficulties, and there are many excellent digital video resources on the Internet. You have to know how to read to use them, which I understand is hard for some people, but hey, it's the way of things.

Other questions, like "how do I make AMVz" or "fuk I need 31337 DBZ FOOTAGE NOW", are just so inane that whoever made them deserves to be taught a lesson with a swift verbal impaling. (Standard answers: Read the guides, read your editing program's manuals.)
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Postby Ashton » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:17 am

RyanGlazner wrote:For instance, there are many, many "favorite" threads that could easily be answered by reading the message archives (or using the forum search tool, which is quite good, BTW), yet new people post these all the time.

But, you see, the thing is, I posted a "favorite" thread once. The reason I did it was because I believed that it was different enough from the others to have some validity and carry some interest. You say stuff like that that implies that only those that are new to the forums or those with low IQ are the ones posting those threads. I can't argue about my IQ, but I have been around this forum for over a year, and I posted my "favorite" thread this week. The thing was that everyone was so closed minded about it that no one cared to entertain its subtle difference from the others. Because I honestly was curious to find out which Linkin Park AMVs other creators liked. But all I got in return was flame for my "stupidity" and "laziness". It makes no sense, and generalizations like the one you just made perpetuate these kinds of problems. Everyone, open your minds!
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Postby Ashton » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:24 am

trythil wrote:This thread sucks.


*sigh* :roll: As soon as I saw your avatar I knew this one was coming.

trythil wrote:Other questions, like "how do I make AMVz" or "fuk I need 31337 DBZ FOOTAGE NOW", are just so inane that whoever made them deserves to be taught a lesson with a swift verbal impaling. (Standard answers: Read the guides, read your editing program's manuals.)


No. I'm afraid I just simply disagree. No matter how bad they are, no matter how much they bring it upon themselves, it's the duty of the mature to avoid abusing anyone. (imho, of course)
Everyone has the right to be here, and there are no terms of service. We really can't in any fairness say what "the right way to use the forum" is, (aside from the rules, of course) so to look down upon a LBZ/newbie creator is unfair (imho, of course :D ) We may simply have conflicting opinions on the subject, in which case we may never come to a proper solution, but I encourage you to think of newbies as real people too :D .
And most importantly of all, remember, you too were once a lost little newbie, just like all the rest of us.
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Postby gadoo » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:24 am

uhhhhhh.......what?
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Postby Ashton » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:28 am

gadoo wrote:uhhhhhh.......what?


what what?
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Postby RyanGlazner » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:30 am

Ashton wrote:The thing was that everyone was so closed minded about it that no one cared to entertain its subtle difference from the others. Because I honestly was curious to find out which Linkin Park AMVs other creators liked. But all I got in return was flame for my "stupidity" and "laziness". It makes no sense, and generalizations like the one you just made perpetuate these kinds of problems. Everyone, open your minds!


You'll find people are close-minded everywhere. It's a people thing, not necessarily a this-forum thing.

You have been here over a year? Then you could have seen that most people here don't like Linkin Park at all.
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Postby Ashton » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:37 am

That was sort of the nature of the question. I realized that most people didn't like Linkin Park, so I was asking about which video negated the majority of that boiling hatred ^_^
About the narrow mindedness, yeah, I guess that's true. But it's better that people face their shortcomings and try to defeat them than to ignore them, so I feel that if I can bring it to a couple of people's attention than I might have made some difference.

.... maybe not :(
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Postby trythil » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:38 am

Ashton wrote:
trythil wrote:This thread sucks.


*sigh* :roll: As soon as I saw your avatar I knew this one was coming.


It was sarcasm.

trythil wrote:Other questions, like "how do I make AMVz" or "fuk I need 31337 DBZ FOOTAGE NOW", are just so inane that whoever made them deserves to be taught a lesson with a swift verbal impaling. (Standard answers: Read the guides, read your editing program's manuals.)


No. I'm afraid I just simply disagree. No matter how bad they are, no matter how much they bring it upon themselves, it's the duty of the mature to avoid abusing anyone. (imho, of course)
Everyone has the right to be here, and there are no terms of service. We really can't in any fairness say what "the right way to use the forum" is, (aside from the rules, of course) so to look down upon a LBZ/newbie creator is unfair (imho, of course :D ) We may simply have conflicting opinions on the subject, in which case we may never come to a proper solution, but I encourage you to think of newbies as real people too :D .
And most importantly of all, remember, you too were once a lost little newbie, just like all the rest of us.



I consider myself a newbie, too. I've only put out two videos, I'm still learning the ropes, and God knows how many mistakes I've made.

At the same time, I really don't like people who ask questions that they could more easily answer on their own. People who don't put even the slightest hint of attempting to help themselves BEFORE asking their question are people who I scorn.

You're right -- everybody was a newbie once. But there are newbies that search as far as they can for an answer before giving up, and then there are newbies that act as if they deserve the world on a silver platter.
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Postby RyanGlazner » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:42 am

Ashton wrote:About the narrow mindedness, yeah, I guess that's true. But it's better that people face their shortcomings and try to defeat them than to ignore them, so I feel that if I can bring it to a couple of people's attention than I might have made some difference.

.... maybe not :(


People have been trying to do this for ages, and it hasn't worked. People are comfortable in their narrowmindedness. I include myself in that statement, though I try not to be narrowminded. It's even more pronounced on the internet, because there are no consequences. "Why should I change for you if i'm never going to meet or talk to you?"
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Postby gadoo » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:43 am

you guys are boring.....entertain me dammit.....uhhhhh I guess I can start..... I THINK YOU SUCK!!!!

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Postby Ashton » Mon Aug 19, 2002 12:47 am

trythil wrote:You're right -- everybody was a newbie once. But there are newbies that search as far as they can for an answer before giving up, and then there are newbies that act as if they deserve the world on a silver platter.


I think this is probably more a function of the nature of the Internet than of the forums/AMV community. But yes, it is true that some would to lazy to bother with their own time, but it seems that a lot of the not-so-lazy newbies get wrapped into that same package. There are those that get lucky, like me, and don’t ever really have the misfortune of being flamed as an early newbie trying to get your feet on the ground. But I think that the larger majority of people really do get randomly flamed for such innocent things as "Hi, I'm new and I just wanted to say 'hi!'" Now, I don't consider this in any way destructive, or wasteful of anyones time. Do you?
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