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Postby TeTsuO ShImA » Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:15 pm

I was just wondering if it is legal or illegal to download animes and use them in your videos. I just came across a new site www.sharereactor.com and i was thinking about making some vids. I just bought adobe premiere, now all i need is the anime. I just don't wana go to jail for piracy. Thanks in advance.



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Postby JCD » Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:36 pm

as long as the anime is an unlicensed fansub, it's legal. so it's also legal to make amvs of fansubs. when the anime is licensed, it's illegal to download the anime, but i dunno if it's illegal to make amvs of this.

here is another thread, where the legality of amvs is discussed:
<a href="http://animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1931">http://animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1931</a>
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:44 pm

JCD wrote:as long as the anime is an unlicensed fansub, it's legal. so it's also legal to make amvs of fansubs. when the anime is licensed, it's illegal to download the anime, but i dunno if it's illegal to make amvs of this.


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HEehehehehehehehehehehheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

*wipes tear from eye*

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No.

I think you are confusing illegal and immoral. It is illegal (i.e. copyright infringement) to download anime off the net that you havent bought (licensed or not). It is illegal to make music videos to them.

Fansubs are, arguably, 'less' immoral as they are not for profit and do not (in theory) reduce any sales of an english language product. that doesnt make them in any way less like copyright infringement.

If you want to follow the letter of the law, you can't make music videos for anyone but yourself.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:03 pm

HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAaaa


HEehehehehehehehehehehheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

*wipes tear from eye*

heheheh


No.

I think you are confusing illegal and immoral. It is illegal (i.e. copyright infringement) to download anime off the net that you havent bought (licensed or not). It is illegal to make music videos to them.

Fansubs are, arguably, 'less' immoral as they are not for profit and do not (in theory) reduce any sales of an english language product. that doesnt make them in any way less like copyright infringement.

If you want to follow the letter of the law, you can't make music videos for anyone but yourself.


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Postby alternatefutures » Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:15 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
JCD wrote:If you want to follow the letter of the law, you can't make music videos for anyone but yourself.


Not entirely true. You can make music videos for family and friends as well. That's covered under "fair use". You just can't show them to the general public without breaking copywrite laws.
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Postby alternatefutures » Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:16 pm

Stupid quotes... I was there was an edit button.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:18 pm

alternatefutures wrote:Stupid quotes... I was there was an edit button.


You mean you wish there was :P

Well, I wasn't sure what the terms of 'fair use' was in the states so there isn't much point in me talling people what the law is when I don't know what the law is in the US, so I simplified it.
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Postby jbone » Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:28 pm

alternatefutures wrote:Stupid quotes... I was there was an edit button.
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Postby Rozard » Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:56 pm

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Postby Rozard » Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:57 pm

Ah crap, I messed up my post :cry:
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Postby alternatefutures » Sun Aug 11, 2002 6:30 pm

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Postby JCD » Sun Aug 11, 2002 7:00 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:No.

me and the law... :oops:
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Postby Dark Kamui » Mon Aug 12, 2002 6:50 pm

Bah... Me? I download EVERYTHING for a mirriad of reasons like:

1. I can barely afford upgrades and DSL. = No $ for DVDs

2. It would take more resources to prosecute me legally than what I don't pay to companies by "downloading" their stuff.

3. No firms other than Anime Licensing Companies take Anime copyrights seriously cause they're greedy, and every one else thinks anime are just silly cartoons.

4. Webhosts don't even know what's anime; They dont care or check WHAT it may be about and will remove any and all "big" media files like UNLICENSED FANSUBS or AMVs from their servers claiming it IS illegal because they want to cut down bandwith costs.

5. Anime Licensing companies are indeed GREEDY and overprice anime. Most HK DVDs releases can have an entire series in 2-3 DVDs for $10-30 while US licensing companies will charge $20-30 for 2, 3, or 4 episode volumes. Do the math.

6. Some Fansubs have BETTER quality than the "original" US releases.

7. The AMV scene will never be directly attacked by anyone since they would have to sue thousands of people at once and it would be pointless; Little do licensing companies know that if they made their own AMVs using their own tracks or those of the series, or included them as extras in DVDs their sales would sky rocket. (This will never happened of course, since they want to save on bandwith and will not give away ANYTHING at all for free.... This includes high resolutions video previews or trailers, pictures, backgrounds or any of the goodies that we find at fan-sites since they want to milk the fans for their LAST penny.)

*Have I ever seen an OFFICIAL anime license's site that offered ANYTHING that wanted me to go back there or buy ANYTHING? NO...*

And regarding software... As long as it's for experimental use or evaluation I don't care. I'll worry about retail licensing the day I setup my own "official" studio either for commercial or non-profit propietary material.
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Postby jbone » Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:27 pm

Wow, Dark Kamui, you really don't hide your lack of coherent thought, do you?


Dark Kamui wrote:4. Webhosts don't even know what's anime; They dont care or check WHAT it may be about and will remove any and all "big" media files like UNLICENSED FANSUBS or AMVs from their servers claiming it IS illegal because they want to cut down bandwith costs.

If something's not licensed for distribution, it doesn't mean that anyone who wants to can distribute it freely at their whim. It's still someone's property.

Dark Kamui wrote:5. Anime Licensing companies are indeed GREEDY and overprice anime. Most HK DVDs releases can have an entire series in 2-3 DVDs for $10-30 while US licensing companies will charge $20-30 for 2, 3, or 4 episode volumes. Do the math.

Ever hear of licensing costs? Or distribution costs? Or stores paying their employees? Or voice actors paying for food?

Dark Kamui wrote:6. Some Fansubs have BETTER quality than the "original" US releases.

If by "better" you mean a more literal translation, then possibly. But officially-released anime tends to have translations which are easier to understand while reading, and which can make more sense to their American audience. Are official translations perfect? No. But the companies are at least trying to improve their translations from release to release, and you know with an official release that you won't get broken, nonsensical English - unlike some fan-subbed translations and some import DVDs.

Dark Kamui wrote:*Have I ever seen an OFFICIAL anime license's site that offered ANYTHING that wanted me to go back there or buy ANYTHING? NO...*

Well, that's just your opinion. And it's your opinion because you're closed-minded, have no interest or comprehension of what's reasonable, and are so self-centered that you desire the entire industry to pander to your own personal desires.


Sigh. Thanks for the laugh, it's always welcome.

I look forward to your well-thought-out, intelligent, sensible response. (*chuckle*)
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Postby temjin » Mon Aug 12, 2002 7:36 pm

jbone, i download anime because im a lazy son of a bitch who has no money?

"jbone, i download anime because im a lazy son of a bitch who has no money?"

you're wrong cause i said so mutha fucka
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