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Postby dokidoki » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:08 am

(Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer)
CaTaClYsM: Let's say you subscribe to CoolMovieChannel1, and tape NeatoMovie from it. CoolMovieChannel1 has permission from the copyright holders to air it, and under fair use laws, you can tape it to watch at a later time or whatever. When downloading anime, however, usually the provider (say, Usenet poster or FTP archiver) does NOT have permission to distribute, so the law's being broken on their end at least. Exception: Sites like Sputnik7 and one of Cartoon Network's sites stream anime from time to time, but I don't know about the legality of saving it.

But, if you download NeatoMovie from Joe, and it aired on CMC1 yesterday, and you subscribe to CMC1, you could try and claim the copy you got from Joe was taped from TV (a la TiVo), but still, Joe didn't have permission to supply you with NeatoMovie.

I heard the argument years ago that movie channels were against people lending taped movies to friends without subscriptions, and that technically, any movies you tape from their channels should be deleted when your subscription lapses, but I haven't heard about any lawsuits over these matters.
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Postby Ashton » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:59 am

You know, while this is very interesting and educational, it really is just that: educational. Since we can pretty well see based on the history of the matter that the companies don't care we can all feel safe in the fact that they will continue to not care. I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?) so I really think it would be odd if one of the companies just "out of the blue" decided, "Hey, we're going to go sue joe blow for this even though there are thousands of these guys running around all over the internet". And just like Napster/other p2p file sharing, even if that post-apocalyptic dreaded day does come that the various industries and companies does decide to go on a rampage and round up all of us for some bizarre reverse class action lawsuit, we will survive in clusters and pockets of sharing all across this vast internet like small rodents we will continue to multiply and evade capture and scurry from one side of the 'net to the other to avoid being smashed. I think the only thing I'm really worried about is the loss of our dear animemusicvideos.org which could very easily be crushed under corporate weight. Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?
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Postby dokidoki » Thu Aug 08, 2002 3:37 am

Ashton wrote:I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?)

The Legal Representation of the Artist Sometimes Known as Prince sent Joe (Maboroshi) a cease and decist to get his "Peaches" video offline. He took it offline.

Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?

This is a discussion board. I'm discussing. :)
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Postby kthulhu » Thu Aug 08, 2002 3:44 am

Yes,well,Prince/Symbol Man is a poof anyway. And he'll sue over anything.
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Postby Melfina » Thu Aug 08, 2002 5:22 am

My hole opinion, is that when I asked my webhost if it was a violation of their user agreement to host these video files they said that it was alright as long as the footage was not misrepresenting the footage used...not exactly sure what that means, but hey, if my host doesn't have a problem with it, then it isn't something that can be considered illegal.
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Postby jbone » Thu Aug 08, 2002 10:20 am

Melfina wrote:they said that it was alright as long as the footage was not misrepresenting the footage used


It means you shouldn't portray Hamtaro as Hitler, and stuff.
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Postby Petro » Thu Aug 08, 2002 10:40 am

jbone wrote:It means you shouldn't portray Hamtaro as Hitler, and stuff.


You mean he isn't? :shock:
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Postby paizuri » Thu Aug 08, 2002 10:51 am

Ashton wrote:You know, while this is very interesting and educational, it really is just that: educational.

Does anyone else find it slightly disturbing that knowledge of laws has simply become "educational"? It's not like I know every nuance of the US legal system (or any other country's for that matter), but as far as I know, ignorance doesn't stand up too well in a court of law.

Ashton wrote:Since we can pretty well see based on the history of the matter that the companies don't care we can all feel safe in the fact that they will continue to not care.

What history are you talking about? Since you apparently were not aware of the Prince/Maboroshi incident...

Ashton wrote:I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?) so I really think it would be odd if one of the companies just "out of the blue" decided, "Hey, we're going to go sue joe blow for this even though there are thousands of these guys running around all over the internet".

Yeah, the chances that anyone is going to target you specifically are pretty low, but hiding in a crowd doesn't necessarily make you safe.

Ashton wrote:And just like Napster/other p2p file sharing, even if that post-apocalyptic dreaded day does come that the various industries and companies does decide to go on a rampage and round up all of us for some bizarre reverse class action lawsuit, we will survive in clusters and pockets of sharing all across this vast internet like small rodents we will continue to multiply and evade capture and scurry from one side of the 'net to the other to avoid being smashed.

So you're saying fuck everyone else, we'll survive like the cockroaches we are even though it was probably our callous disregard and blatant flaunting of our "power" that caused the post-apocalyptic events in the first place?

Ashton wrote:Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?

No, I'm not scared at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if this ever came to court. Or if some initiative passed that placed restrictions on Internet access and this was cited as an example. (Basically, I wouldn't put anything past the RIAA and similar-minded establishments.)
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Postby Melfina » Thu Aug 08, 2002 11:23 am

Lol speaking of hamtaro, I ran across the spanish intro version to it, note if you enjoy a good laugh download it, I do believe it is posted on the main page as mp3 of the day today...or it should be

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Postby Machine » Thu Aug 08, 2002 11:44 am

Even if we did end up in court....

Think of the Publicity! :twisted:
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Postby Rozard » Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:31 pm

Mmmm....excessive bandwidth usage....more n00bs...
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Postby Ashton » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:09 pm

Machine wrote:Even if we did end up in court....

Think of the Publicity! :twisted:


You truly are evil. Either that, or simply quit optimistic.
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Postby alternatefutures » Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:16 pm

I'm far more concerned about the various industries' attempts at copy protection and getting legislation passed that would make our computers open books to them and give them the right to delete anything they deem in violation of their narrow vision. An actual lawsuit would be a tremendous waste of resources for the RIAA. I mean, think of how many legal fees they would have to pay to stamp out every AMV studio. There's probably safety in numbers there, as it's not cost effective, but the big pitcure is much less friendly.
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Postby Machine » Thu Aug 08, 2002 5:33 pm

I predict the downfall of the RIAA will be a joyous occasion.

I will piss on their ashes :twisted:
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Postby FurryCurry » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:42 am

Not that I want to be the sorry bitch that has to use it, but fact is that AMV's typically have a larger filesize than the CD quality WAV of the same song might just have a small impact on a jury, ya think?

Also, AMV's are not conducive to pirating "entire albums" of music, or however the RIAA hysterics try to frame it.

Not that this is a very strong argument, but it IS true.
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Besides, if they don't stop you from distro'ing it for2-3 months, it's cat-out-of-bag syndrome: people all over will keep trading it, and maybe want it even more if it gets publicity.

Just say "ok, I'll stop." then advertise the fact on every anime related board and chat you can find. :twisted:
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