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(Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer)
CaTaClYsM: Let's say you subscribe to CoolMovieChannel1, and tape NeatoMovie from it. CoolMovieChannel1 has permission from the copyright holders to air it, and under fair use laws, you can tape it to watch at a later time or whatever. When downloading anime, however, usually the provider (say, Usenet poster or FTP archiver) does NOT have permission to distribute, so the law's being broken on their end at least. Exception: Sites like Sputnik7 and one of Cartoon Network's sites stream anime from time to time, but I don't know about the legality of saving it.
But, if you download NeatoMovie from Joe, and it aired on CMC1 yesterday, and you subscribe to CMC1, you could try and claim the copy you got from Joe was taped from TV (a la TiVo), but still, Joe didn't have permission to supply you with NeatoMovie.
I heard the argument years ago that movie channels were against people lending taped movies to friends without subscriptions, and that technically, any movies you tape from their channels should be deleted when your subscription lapses, but I haven't heard about any lawsuits over these matters.
CaTaClYsM: Let's say you subscribe to CoolMovieChannel1, and tape NeatoMovie from it. CoolMovieChannel1 has permission from the copyright holders to air it, and under fair use laws, you can tape it to watch at a later time or whatever. When downloading anime, however, usually the provider (say, Usenet poster or FTP archiver) does NOT have permission to distribute, so the law's being broken on their end at least. Exception: Sites like Sputnik7 and one of Cartoon Network's sites stream anime from time to time, but I don't know about the legality of saving it.
But, if you download NeatoMovie from Joe, and it aired on CMC1 yesterday, and you subscribe to CMC1, you could try and claim the copy you got from Joe was taped from TV (a la TiVo), but still, Joe didn't have permission to supply you with NeatoMovie.
I heard the argument years ago that movie channels were against people lending taped movies to friends without subscriptions, and that technically, any movies you tape from their channels should be deleted when your subscription lapses, but I haven't heard about any lawsuits over these matters.
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You know, while this is very interesting and educational, it really is just that: educational. Since we can pretty well see based on the history of the matter that the companies don't care we can all feel safe in the fact that they will continue to not care. I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?) so I really think it would be odd if one of the companies just "out of the blue" decided, "Hey, we're going to go sue joe blow for this even though there are thousands of these guys running around all over the internet". And just like Napster/other p2p file sharing, even if that post-apocalyptic dreaded day does come that the various industries and companies does decide to go on a rampage and round up all of us for some bizarre reverse class action lawsuit, we will survive in clusters and pockets of sharing all across this vast internet like small rodents we will continue to multiply and evade capture and scurry from one side of the 'net to the other to avoid being smashed. I think the only thing I'm really worried about is the loss of our dear animemusicvideos.org which could very easily be crushed under corporate weight. Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?
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The Legal Representation of the Artist Sometimes Known as Prince sent Joe (Maboroshi) a cease and decist to get his "Peaches" video offline. He took it offline.Ashton wrote:I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?)
This is a discussion board. I'm discussing.Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?
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My hole opinion, is that when I asked my webhost if it was a violation of their user agreement to host these video files they said that it was alright as long as the footage was not misrepresenting the footage used...not exactly sure what that means, but hey, if my host doesn't have a problem with it, then it isn't something that can be considered illegal.
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It means you shouldn't portray Hamtaro as Hitler, and stuff.Melfina wrote:they said that it was alright as long as the footage was not misrepresenting the footage used
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You mean he isn't?jbone wrote:It means you shouldn't portray Hamtaro as Hitler, and stuff.
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Does anyone else find it slightly disturbing that knowledge of laws has simply become "educational"? It's not like I know every nuance of the US legal system (or any other country's for that matter), but as far as I know, ignorance doesn't stand up too well in a court of law.Ashton wrote:You know, while this is very interesting and educational, it really is just that: educational.
What history are you talking about? Since you apparently were not aware of the Prince/Maboroshi incident...Ashton wrote:Since we can pretty well see based on the history of the matter that the companies don't care we can all feel safe in the fact that they will continue to not care.
Yeah, the chances that anyone is going to target you specifically are pretty low, but hiding in a crowd doesn't necessarily make you safe.Ashton wrote:I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?) so I really think it would be odd if one of the companies just "out of the blue" decided, "Hey, we're going to go sue joe blow for this even though there are thousands of these guys running around all over the internet".
So you're saying fuck everyone else, we'll survive like the cockroaches we are even though it was probably our callous disregard and blatant flaunting of our "power" that caused the post-apocalyptic events in the first place?Ashton wrote:And just like Napster/other p2p file sharing, even if that post-apocalyptic dreaded day does come that the various industries and companies does decide to go on a rampage and round up all of us for some bizarre reverse class action lawsuit, we will survive in clusters and pockets of sharing all across this vast internet like small rodents we will continue to multiply and evade capture and scurry from one side of the 'net to the other to avoid being smashed.
No, I'm not scared at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if this ever came to court. Or if some initiative passed that placed restrictions on Internet access and this was cited as an example. (Basically, I wouldn't put anything past the RIAA and similar-minded establishments.)Ashton wrote:Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?
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