Why the hell is it so hard to make a original Idea now..

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Why the hell is it so hard to make a original Idea now..

Postby leathelanime » Thu Aug 01, 2002 1:34 am

I has taken me an entire month to come up with a Idea that seems like no one has touched yet......Is there only so many ways to make a amv now-a-days? :evil:
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Postby jbone » Thu Aug 01, 2002 1:36 am

Everything which can be done has been done. It will take a complete paradigm shift to allow anything "new" to be created.
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Postby FurryCurry » Thu Aug 01, 2002 1:40 am

It helps to not only listen to a lot of different music, but to watch a lot of different anime.
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I find watching other AMV's I really like inspires me to come up with ideas for my own vids. That and large amounts of alchohol.

Heh, I need to improve my skills quickly, I've got enough original ideas waiting to be done to fill every line on a page in a college ruled notebook.
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Postby Kamoc » Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:03 am

a little white house..
it's everything we'd dream about..
i wanted you to know..
i'm hangin' up my eisel.

push in nine to five.
worry bout the bills tonight..
i wanted you to know..
i wanna be your shadow.

mystery is gone.
so bring back the sun..
bury this hate.
build with love..

mysterey's gone..
so bring back the sun..
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Postby Bushido Philosopher » Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:11 am

if it was so easy, do you think we would be "wow"ed by such original ideas? :?:
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Re: Why the hell is it so hard to make a original Idea now..

Postby priuscomet » Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:14 am

leathelanime wrote:I has taken me an entire month to come up with a Idea that seems like no one has touched yet......Is there only so many ways to make a amv now-a-days? :evil:


course not! maybe ur creativity just takes a month to think.
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Re: Why the hell is it so hard to make a original Idea now..

Postby TaranT » Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:28 am

leathelanime wrote:I<t> has taken me an entire month to come up with a Idea that seems like no one has touched yet......<Are> there only so many ways to make a amv now-a-days?


I hardly ever download AMVs anymore; got tired of seeing the same things done over and over in different wrappings.

My suggestion: break the rules...and prepare to lose. Contests, that is.

I hope that's not cheap advice since I'm following it myself on my current project...taking a diehard rule of AMV creation and beating it to death. Maybe I'll send the finished work to AWA. Maybe I'll banish it to a dark closet. :twisted:

jbone wrote:Everything which can be done has been done. It will take a complete paradigm shift to allow anything "new" to be created.


I'm thinking that AMVs have now become a "genre". Which is as much a curse as a benefit. This may have been inevitable given the source material. But it seems that virtually all AMVs are made in the same style (with very few exceptions (e.g. "Shameless Rock")), and that audiences expect them to be that way.
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Postby paizuri » Thu Aug 01, 2002 10:13 am

Who cares if your idea is 100% original as long as you do it in style? 8)
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Re: Why the hell is it so hard to make a original Idea now..

Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Aug 01, 2002 10:21 am

TaranT wrote:But it seems that virtually all AMVs are made in the same style (with very few exceptions (e.g. "Shameless Rock")), and that audiences expect them to be that way.


It's quite ironic that you mention Shameless Rock in this context, given that practically every section was stolen from amvs or media I'd seen before. It's very very referential. Maybe it's different because it takes from lots of different places. *shrugs*

Personally I dont really worry about having an original idea or not... although I am lucky that recently all my ideas have been strange enough to be original. I don't think there's anything quite like Arima Shinjikun out there (or at least I havent seen anything like it) but it isn't about attempting at originality, it's just about visualising your concept. That's all that really matters.

In any case, doing something that hasnt been done is easy - but doing something that hasnt been done that people will like... that's another matter :P There's no point forcing it though, do whatever interests you and with any luck it'll be interesting enough for other people too.
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Postby turboneko » Thu Aug 01, 2002 11:20 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:In any case, doing something that hasnt been done is easy


Well, yes and no. Many people say that a video is original when it uses obscure anime or a never heard song. I am not of the same opinion though, but it's true that you can approach originality from various points. You can have an original concept behind the video for instance, or put your effort in an innovative editing style or visualization.
Is that easy? For me, the hardest is to create a completely new concept. As jbone said, we need a complete paradigm shift to have that (by interpreting this "Anime + Music = AMV" equation in some different way).
Playing with visualization and editing can be easier... and there have been quite a number of videos exploring this field (look at "This is DBZ Life" from Scott Melzer and "Liberation of Memories Past" by MeriC for instance)

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:but doing something that hasnt been done that people will like... that's another matter


I completely agree with that. Forcing a new, "original" idea usually pushes you in the boundaries of the field... creators may like it but general public probably won't. In this area we are still in the "cool anime + cheap humor + known song = Good video" world.

But anyway good luck with your search for originality... and let me know when you come out with something fresh :D
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Aug 01, 2002 12:00 pm

In defense of my "doing sometihng original is easy" statement, I could make an amv done to 3 minutes of me farting (I'd have to edit it together of course, there's no way I could record that one live ;p )

But yes, I understand that it was a good way to talk about the problems of originality which are numerous ^_^;;
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Postby turboneko » Thu Aug 01, 2002 1:24 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:In defense of my "doing sometihng original is easy" statement, I could make an amv done to 3 minutes of me farting (I'd have to edit it together of course, there's no way I could record that one live ;p )


Hehehehe... this could be worse than the paperbag ninja you know :P

Anyway... I just quoted you because yours was the last post, but I was speaking more generally to everybody who posted in this thread. Sorry if it looked like a "personal matter": it wasn't intended to ^^;

Again, with my crappy english :?
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Re: Why the hell is it so hard to make a original Idea now..

Postby TaranT » Fri Aug 02, 2002 1:19 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote: It's quite ironic that you mention Shameless Rock in this context, given that practically every section was stolen from amvs or media I'd seen before. It's very very referential. Maybe it's different because it takes from lots of different places. *shrugs*


Credit the fact that I watch very few AMVs for my ignorance of this. I was commenting more on the visual presentation and style which I haven't seen before - except possibly in Odorikuruu. Visual presentation is what I focus on these days, and that may be my personal blind spot in any discussion of AMV-originality.

I agree with the idea of doing what you want regardless of what you see. There are so many AMVs now, you'll never know for sure if your original idea is really original. So, why worry about it?

BTW, my earlier comment about breaking the rules was meant for consensus-rules regarding the making of AMVs. Contest rules should not be broken - except by contest organizers. :wink:
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Postby SarahtheBoring » Fri Aug 02, 2002 1:31 am

On the topic of what constitutes "original", for me the "best" kind of originality is not about the editing/presentation OR the obscurity of the song or anime (obscurity != originality, not to mention quality - a common misconception).

It's the concept itself, for me. How the combination of sound, lyric (if any), and visuals throw a new light onto, or inject a new energy into, a series, theme, plot, or character. If I come away thinking "Wow, I never thought of it that way," I am most impressed.

Maybe that's pretentious, I don't know. I like being made to think. ;) It's the same way I approach any fanwork.
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Postby trythil » Fri Aug 02, 2002 4:09 am

You want something fresh?

Do an AMV to John Cage's 4'33". I'd love to do that myself, but I've got a Metropolis project to finish.

There are a few problems that arise, however:

1) You have practically unlimited freedom with 4'33", and that, in some ways, is a bad thing. You never know what kind of coherence you might be able or not be able to pull together in that kind of situation.

2) 4'33" was never meant to be heard as a recording. Or at least Cage said so.

3) The public will eat you alive. (Though I suppose this isn't really much of a concern.)

(No, this is not a joke. 4'33" is actually quite deep, despite what it sounds like.)
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