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Postby afleetinghope » Sun Jul 28, 2002 12:05 pm

nailz1000 wrote:you wont need a hub unless you've got more than 50 computers networked. otherwise, a switch is just a waste of money, and routers are for morons who want to spend $50 more than they have to.


Actually with how fucked up Roadrunner is setup, I have to have a router to be able to share the internet with the computers here.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jul 28, 2002 12:44 pm

same here, without the router we couldn't share the DSL. If I could dump the piece of shit, I would. It's a pain in the ass, but oh well.

Ikasu, that's a sweet setup man. I'm going for the the 2100's though! Physical memory dumps? hhhmm....Maybe i'll stick with 1 gig and see how that works out. then i'll go 1.5 and so on. :-D
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Postby FurryCurry » Sun Jul 28, 2002 1:06 pm

nailz1000 wrote:you wont need a hub unless you've got more than 50 computers networked. otherwise, a switch is just a waste of money, and routers are for morons who want to spend $50 more than they have to.


BZZT! wrong answer. Small (4-16 port) switches are not significantly more expensive than unmanaged hubs anymore, and while you can get by with a hub, a switch lets you transfer data more quickly when the network gets busy, because you don't have problems with collisions.

If it's just you and 2 or 3 computers, you probably won't notice any difference, but have 3 or 4 friends over for a small LAN party, and things will get messy in a hurry on a hub, with eveyone leeching off each other, trying to game, access the net, etc.

Sure, you can use dual NIC's and have one machine act as a gateway for the others like I do, but that's cause I don't mind leaving my machine on all the time. A cheap little hardware router/gateway is silent, reliable, uses very little power, and is easy to set up. I assert that they have a very valuable place in the world.

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Postby FurryCurry » Sun Jul 28, 2002 1:16 pm

Ikasu wrote:I'm running a Dual AMD MP 1800's on a Tyan Tiger Sp2460 (something like that) I believe....With 2 gigs of pc 2100 ddr ram...Geforce 4 ti 4600....Sounld Blaster Audigy Platinum...DV 500+ and a few other goodies.....Windows 2k profressional as well...and I must say my editing is amaizing...I don't drop a frame at all.....But just to warn you...With dual processors you MAY have a lot of problems...I'm having problems with my DV500 sometimes in premiere where my computer performs physical memory dumps and restarts.....This also happens while playing counter strike


I have a Tyan 2460 also, and two things have come to my attention regarding memory and this board.

1) you REALLY have to push to seat the DIMM's properly in it.

2) using the fourth RAM slot makes my system unstable.

I was using 4x256 DIMMs and sufered the same random reboots(NT crashing) that you describe. After much agonizing, and removing hardware, trying drivers, etc, I got it super stable simply by removing the fourth stick of RAM. Yes, they all passed 6 hours of running memtest.

You might want to pull that fourth stick for a few weeks and see what that does for your stability.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jul 28, 2002 1:28 pm

Sure, you can use dual NIC's and have one machine act as a gateway for the others


I'm completely new to networking, but don't worry I'm not going to come here and ask for answers. Anywho, I just wanted to comment that all 3 computers that are networked together ALL have their own NIC. Does taht help?????
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Postby trythil » Sun Jul 28, 2002 2:48 pm

They all _require_ their own NIC. The only real situations in which you'd be using a machine with more than one NIC are

(1) setting up a gateway for other machines to go through if you wanted to add e.g. a firewall, or
(2) striping network devices for additional transfer speed.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:03 pm

His comment on Dual NIC's confused the hell out of me.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:23 pm

hhmm, that switcher really got my attention. It sounds nice NOT to share bandwidth. I went on a hunt for a "switcher" and found htis on tigerdirect:

[a href="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=B20-7060">Switcher</a>

It sounds good and from the description alone it sounds like what you were talking about trythil. I'll probably buy it and replace my hub and router. Unless I still need the router then I'll keep it. *continues to do research*
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:23 pm

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Postby trythil » Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:39 pm

A network switch is not the same as a router. They don't even operate at the same layer of the OSI Model.

A switch simply switches packets on Layer 2 (i.e. MAC address) addresses. A router has the capability to go on Layer 3 (i.e. IP address) addresses and thus inter-network communication.

That is why you need that router.
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Postby FurryCurry » Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:48 pm

You'll still need your router to give all the machines access to the internet, if I'm correctly guessing how your network is set up.

You won't really see any benefit from a switch right now, unless you have all three machines tranferring massive files amongst each other at the same time.

Anyway, If you want to spend $30-40, I'd probably go for this.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jul 28, 2002 6:44 pm

I only plan on transfering files from 2 computers but not simultanously. 1 at a time, and sometimes at the same time. But overall I'm just going to use my seconday machine add files I will use while editing. Sure it'll go a bit slower, but right now I really need the space. That and I'm the only person in the house that does major PC stuff. Hence the sharing network setup.

THanks for all the corrections/tips. I appreciate them.
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Postby mckeed » Mon Jul 29, 2002 11:23 am

you can allwys benifit from a switch....especially if you are going to use it to store video sources you are going to edit from. His two NIC card thing is used to set up a computer as a router instead of buying a hardware box.....more expensive to run, but allows you lots mroe than a router aimed at a home market. You could allways get giabit ethernet cards for about 140 and get a gigabit switch for it....you can run that over std cat 5 cable. Yes netowrking is cool. But you won't get great performance editing over a network anyway......you are allways better off using local source unless you hit the gigabit ethernet level. That is what most SAN's run now a days anyway...some even run fiber channel.
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Postby FurryCurry » Mon Jul 29, 2002 12:40 pm

Last time I looked, while gigbit cards had achieved some sort of sane pricing structure, even an 8 port gigabit switch was insanely priced.

It still makes sense to do stuff like replacing <80gig drives, or buying a cheap full tower + big PSU to get more capacity and drive bays, AFAIK.

I'd love to be proved wrong, if someone wants to point me at a cheap, yet decent quality 8-16 port gigabit switch. :D
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depends what you call cheap

Postby mckeed » Mon Jul 29, 2002 7:22 pm

depends on your definition of cheap.....you can get a 4 port gigabit switch from d-link for about 300....probally less if you shop around for it. That isn't that bad, but considering the amount of hard drive space you can buy for that much it doesn't looks that great.
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