AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby AceD » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:25 pm

More importantly, why did my browser auto-correct actively to activity....darn add-ons.

Unfortunately it's never going to change now, unless somebody gets paid to do it. To much work to do as a freebie in somebodies spare time.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby Eake4 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:39 pm

Animated wrote:the .org has one or a maximum of two more years left... It's a pity, really


With a whole new design it can extend its lifespan a bit, though if this does die i bet another org will be created similar to hummingbird's relationship to MAL.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby FarmXD » Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:39 am

More than a new design I think it needs functions of today.
I was in a lot of AMV communities and most of them complains
about the uploading system (Wich is an obvious thing, everybody knows
that but I don't really care about the FTP thing). I think forum is
ok just like this, but the main page needs a full reform. My opinion is
if someone wants to save the page and he/she can do something, he/she
can ask for permission and support, no need to be pay if someone really
wants. I would love to do that because I love this site, but I don't
know a sh-t about websites :/
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby SQ » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:33 pm

I've been out of the community since really 2007 I guess. So I can only work with what I've noticed outside the site, hobby, and cons in that period of time.

2009 and prior, new editors I was talking to on other sites didn't want to join the .org because we were 'elitists'.
2009 to now, I've noticed a huge surge in youtube AMV "communities" (channels). Best amvs of all time being one of them. And those channels, all the videos look super nice, and use new anime and upbeat music. And they're all (generally) less than 3 minutes long, heavily composited, and have tons of action scenes and/or flashy images.

I've been getting into some of the non-anime vidding community (as a watcher) as well, and the same thing is in there: Pretty source, popular footage, ADD cutting. These are the ones that are regarded as "really good" anyway. But you what it's lacking? Plot. There's no story in these videos. It's just showing off pretty shit.
So whether this is good editing or not, it's fun to watch, and that's apparently what the viewers want to see.

I liked the .org because while some of the most popular videos were flashy, overall most editors likes story telling more. I think because of this, among other reasons, was why we ultimately died.

Things other people mentioned were the lack of communication between people. I think the .org has sucked at this from the beginning. No comments on journals, no comments on videos, the comments we finally did get on vids are anonymous and only for locally hosted videos. Opinions you can only get one response and then, then you can only show 2 opinions to other people?? WHY?
Why wouldn't you want to share/see what other people have said?

The bottom line is, .org has made it so you have to jump through hurdles just to connect with people outside the forum. I mean the day we got our forum posts to link to our amv profile pages should not have taken so long...

I think now, new users aren't joining and people aren't contributing because:

- the .org is old and not shiny
- people are lazy and the .org interface has a high learning curve
- nobody uses forums anymore
- .org has no huge viewership, it is only a catalog
- there is a "not good enough" feeling to submitting things here. Once it's here, it's here forever, and that can be a lot of pressure.
- no instant gratification.... On anything.

Furthermore, Arigatomina... You gave me so many really lengthy opinions. I loved your opinions! I used to give long opinions too, but they weren't as positive as yours. Definitely the reason I stopped doing it is because nobody talks anymore. And even if they did respond, what were the chances the editor would feature your op publicly? Slim to none.
What is the point.

I think the redesign would help. Not solve anything, but help. But moreso I don't think we need a redesign anymore. I think we just need to realize the old .org is not what people want and we should start over. If we have to pay someone to do that, so be it.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby 8bit_samurai » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:51 pm

SQ wrote:
I think now, new users aren't joining and people aren't contributing because:

- the .org is old and not shiny
- people are lazy and the .org interface has a high learning curve
- nobody uses forums anymore
- .org has no huge viewership, it is only a catalog
- there is a "not good enough" feeling to submitting things here. Once it's here, it's here forever, and that can be a lot of pressure.
- no instant gratification.... On anything.



I'd say the biggest problem would be the Org's awkward interface which contributes to the rest of the problems stated in some way or another. I'm guessing the way it was created and the way things are now is probably because the site's main goal of being a catalog first and everything else was probably secondary. That and it probably wasn't an issue back when there wasn't a youtube and you either use the Org or created your own website (or leech off someone else's site) to host AMVs or something along those lines.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby imp » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:24 am

I'm not editing for a long time nor active on this site (or any site tbh...), the thing is I see and hear a lot that people are lazy.
Now that's of course some sort of problem but we can't do shhh about it. Anyway... my point is:

there's a simple thing to make this site maybe more active.
All the links in the announcement threads are BAD! really BAD! they take you away from the forum!
People are lazy, that's why I think they won't bother to come back to the forum after watching the video they clicked on 3 minutes earlier...
So, a simple youtube / org-preview implementation on the forum, to actually watch the video HERE would make it easier to comment here

(not sure how easy a org-preview implementation would be, but many fora have youtube video posts, so that can't be hard)

that's about what I wanted to say... back to going inactive again, bb
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby gigatless » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:44 am

Great thread. Here's a chart for this.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby [madaraxD] » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:56 am

I think is more simple than that, there isnt too much feedback for ¨foreing¨ editors here, so people eventually just stop caring too much about the org and dont post their AMVs here. You need to be famous, and old editor, or friend of a popular editor in order to get feedback here, thats all, and i think there is some sort of favoritism sometimes, even in comments, but is just my opinion.

The new design wont change nothing, i have seen a lot of people trying to be active here get tired of being ignored most of the time, and personally i think thats why the ¨hispanic¨ community isnt too active here. But ofc isnt just a problem of here, its happening everywhere, maybe at different scales but yeah..
Also..agree with everything Kyssifur, +1
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby Kyssifur » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:04 am

Y AXIS = Nr of shits given?
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby NS » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:04 am

There isn't favoritism, When I was 13-16 or so I was super active around here, now I'm not because I'm busy and just find myself not really caring as much as I used to. I still love editing and watching amvs here and there, it's just not the same as it used to be, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, hence the decline in activity.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby SQ » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:43 am

NS, I disagree.

I think there is favoritism. Up to about 2007 it wasn't that difficult to get in the "in" crowd, regardless of how good or bad your AMVs were. But after that it seemed like the clique wasn't accepting any new members and if you didn't have some sort of real life relationship with editors before then, you were fucked on the forum.

A part of me thinks that the only reason I even get replies to my threads these days is because my join date is so early (and I have a title).

Not to say that's really bad... Every website and group has cliques. But this is my opinion on what's going on here. It's just difficult for people to get critique/feedback, or form friendships over the forum.
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Re: The Org: A dying site (?)

Postby TritioAFB » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:45 am

Take a look around: When you see in the threads a well-known editor, it's probably that most of you will see the thread. While if there's a newbie, the thread will be probably ignored.

It's kinda disappointing that rarely you can get a thread with lots of replies, and instead several of them with no reply at all. I guess all the other foreign communities stay away for this reason, and the reason why lately I've been not getting involved these months with the org
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby 8bit_samurai » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:18 pm

SQ wrote:NS, I disagree.

I think there is favoritism. Up to about 2007 it wasn't that difficult to get in the "in" crowd, regardless of how good or bad your AMVs were. But after that it seemed like the clique wasn't accepting any new members and if you didn't have some sort of real life relationship with editors before then, you were fucked on the forum.

A part of me thinks that the only reason I even get replies to my threads these days is because my join date is so early (and I have a title).

Not to say that's really bad... Every website and group has cliques. But this is my opinion on what's going on here. It's just difficult for people to get critique/feedback, or form friendships over the forum.


I don't remember things as you say, but I believe I know what you're trying to get at. I don't think it was the "clique" (the Org was pretty clique-y back then, whether it be by studio or which forums you posted in) wasn't "accepting" new members as much as it was people from youtube posting their yt links and us reminding them of the rules and/or criticizing their AMV, depending who usually responded first and often met with varying results, but in the end it was probably what labeled us as "elitists."
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby FarmXD » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:11 pm

I think it's a both side problem. Not just a favoritism thing, is about
the attitude of the user who is releasing a new stuff. Of course the site is not the
same anymore, but after I was more active here, my videos started to get more
views even if they were bad and I was getting more comments. You can't
ask to have lot of views if you don't try to, I mean if nobody knows you, you
should make them know your works, like doing some videos that people
wants to watch as SQ said, make some original title to call the audience
to watch. That's why I disagree with Madara, it's an international community
with people from everywhere so I considere myself a foreign too and I received
lot of support here and I don't had the recognition that he had in general amv
contests and I started to get active in this forum in 2010 (I joined with this account
in 2008 but I had another one to download videos when I discovered the site
in 2005). So from 2011 to 2012 (I'm not that active this year with AMV anouncements)
I received a lot of support because I fought for that attention, participating
here and there. It's not like post a video and wait for how many views or
comments you receive. So, my point is I don't think this is a general problem with
community, we should focus in the main site that is trapped in time and about
the social networks that definetly killed forums and people is stopping to use them.

Now that's an interesting point, because it's possible to make a forum to be
more interesting. ZA (ZonaAMV) was a good example. Probably Ikore or Tritio
could tell you more about it, but the forum had lots of applications and segments
that usually forums hadn't and even users helped administratos to get people in.
They're not a huge community as a-m-v.org is, but the amount of new users joining
was amazing. I dropped it because I didn't feel it was my place anymore, but it
was a really interesting community.

Also, websites like AMVnews are a good option to show your videos. Why? Because there's
an exclusive index with the lattest uploads, with poster, comments and information
you can see in the instant so you can be or not to be interested in watch that inmediately
and "Super search" is not really needed.

So what can we do? I think it's a good idea to convince administration to
pay someone or some people interested in make changes, specially with the
uploading system, comment/opinion and better options to show videos in index
like the example I said. If you think it's better to keep it like this because it's
traditional, it won't work. The key here is a full motivation of administration.
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Re: AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

Postby Kyssifur » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:28 pm

It's simple. If you want attention, respect, views and stuffs like these: enter as many contests as you can. The editors don't give any interest about anybody here. Unless you are a newbie, you don't really need the technical singsong, and I really do think that the thing you need can be achieved via contests, youtube and youtube and contests.

But. If you do need the technical help, or advices: ask for it.
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