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#AMV-Review wrote:<Oto|stuff> anyway, gonna watch the video
<Oto|stuff> so how much series knowledge does this require?
<Kionon> I would say that it has an ooh pretty pictures aspect to it, but there is a deeper meaning about how the lyrics and mood of the song interact with the motivations of the characters, but I don't think it is necessary to recogise it as a good video.
<Melanchthon> I think quite a bit to really know what's going on.
<Kionon> Technically, at least.
* Kionon pokes ngsilver
* Kionon also pokes mirkosp
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<MD> depending on what
<Kionon> Please watch and op the video in the topic.
<MD> I have 4 mins
<Kionon> epic fail.
<ngsilver> I will log, as I always do, but I just don't have time to watch, op and discuss any vids right now
<MD> is that vid good
<MD> if it is half way decent then I will stay for 15 mins after I watch it
<Kionon> ngsilver: please let me know if in the future there is a better time.
<Kionon> Which is something we need to discuss
<Kionon> because this is a terrible time for me.
<MD> is it the last video? Why should I stick around?
<Melanchthon> What time is it where you are?
<ngsilver> there is no better time for me this month
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<Kionon> I mean in the future.
<xnamkcor> what's this?
<ngsilver> this time is fine for me really.... anytime after 6pm Eastern
<Kionon> Downdload video, op it, discuss it.
<Kionon> Discussion starts now.
<MD> viewtopic.php?f=2&t=102312 ? this vid
<Kionon> People can catch up.
<Kionon> The one in the topic
<Melanchthon> Just giving it one last watch to finish up the General section.
<MD> I clicked on the wrong link....
<Oto|stuff> so I really like Sarah's editing
<Oto|stuff> I do have some issues with overlays
<Kionon> I admit a bias, but I didn't.
<xnamkcor> <Kionon> Downdload video, op it, discuss it. <<< do I have to op it?
<Kionon> I really really loved her entire compositing mix.
<Kionon> You should, but if you just want to discuss, it is better than nothing.
<Melanchthon> Okay then.
<Melanchthon> I like the way it's put together visually, with the mix of masks and fades.
<Oto|stuff> on no, my only real issue is just like
<Oto|stuff> some of the ways in which the overlays blend
<Oto|stuff> timing-wise, they add a lot
<Oto|stuff> apart from the technical thing, I see why they're there
<Kionon> In general, it was what I'd have to call mood sync.
<Kionon> Nothing was hard or really literal synced.
<Melanchthon> There are some parts where the sky is still visible around the silhouettes, but I don't really mind.
<Kionon> But it felt good.
<Oto|stuff> yes, agreed
<Oto|stuff> it's a moody video, not an actiony video
<Melanchthon> It's not supposed to look like the other scene is going on behind the top layer.
<Kionon> Actually, I disagree.
<Kionon> I think we were supposed to see them. That's why I say compositing, because it was something different than pure masking or pure overlays.
<Kionon> it was something in between
<Kionon> Which I think really helped build the mood.
<Kionon> Utena, and its characters, are messy, messy individuals, emotionally and mentally. Maybe that's where knowledge of the series kicks in.
<Kionon> Basically, it just had good flow.
<Kionon> Now, I'm biased. I know the anime intimately, I like the group. I love the combination.
<Melanchthon> I think, intentions aside, _trying_ to make the overlays look like they were produced that way would have ruined the effect by making it fall into a sort of editing Uncanny Valley.
<Kionon> I chose it largely because she's a veteran editor who has fallen off the radar, however. Her combination was just a side benfit.
<Kionon> Can you explain uncanny valley?
<Kionon> I am unfamiliar
<Melanchthon> Covers it better than a quick explanation.
<Kionon> Interesting viewpoint.
<Kionon> However, may I say, that might have been intentional?
<Kionon> These are very disturbed indviduals.
<Melanchthon> No, I'm saying that leaving parts of the original backgrounds in the overlays / masks makes the effect look more natural.
<MD> not bad
<Melanchthon> If you wanted to cut out the orange background at about 0.22 you'd need to do a lot of work, and doing it wrong would be really obvious.
<MD> the editing was alright. I like overlays but the keying (blue,chroma,etc)....most of that wasn't to my liking. Hit or miss
<MD> but combining overlays and keying :/
<MD> other than that...it was cool. I used to use overlays and keying a lot....I slowed down on the keying but that was when I first started editing
<MD> whoever it is has some pretty good taste editing wise...other than what I mentioned. I only watched it once so...I can't really comment on anything else gotta go. I'd watch their futer vids >_>
<Melanchthon> As long as it looks deliberate and fits in with the original source's quality I'm not really bothered. The borders between the layers are smooth and even.
<Melanchthon> The ES Posthumous one is funny.
<Melanchthon> Epic dog-walking action!
<Kionon> You disliked the song, but it didn't affect your view?
<Melanchthon> No, it didn't. It was only a mild dislike, not something that made me want to switch it off.
<Melanchthon> I think at one point it got too much radio play.
<Kionon> In what year?
<Kionon> Well, does anyone else have anything to add?
<Kionon> Much of what I liked about the video did tie into knowledge of the characters, but visually, I found it very appealing.
<Kionon> I also, admittedly, like the song and the group.
<Melanchthon> Well, it was released in 1999, so then I guess? According to Wikipedia it got to #3 in the UK single charts, so I can see the radio stations putting it on heavy rotation then.
<Kionon> Hrm. I thought it was earlier.
<Kionon> Is it a keeper?
<Kionon> I say yes, of course.
<Melanchthon> I have a lot of disc space and tend not to delete videos unless I hate them, so the default answer to that is 'yes'.
<Melanchthon> Plus, there is a lot to look at in the vid purely from an editor's point of view.
<Melanchthon> Or rather, the default answer is 'not no'.
<Kionon> I would say, compared to other Utena videos, and I own a lot, this is in the highest category.
<Kionon> Anyone else, anything else?
<Melanchthon> I'm finished unless anyone else has anything. Where'd Oto go?
<Kionon> He didn't think he'd be able to particpate much.
<Kionon> Aaaaand. I think we're done.
<Kionon> Okay, as godix and I earlier agreed, the log will be sent to the editor, but it will not be posted.
<Kionon> In the future ops are desired for editors who do not have a forum or IRC presence, but are not mandatory, and certainly not required.
<Kionon> for editors who are on IRC or the forums.
<Kionon> I need feedback on time, I need more moderators.
<Melanchthon> Still waiting on other opinions...
<Kionon> Honestly, Mel, I think the others are afk.
<Kionon> Oto said he was writing one.
<Kionon> I am not sure MD did, xnam didn't want to, and Nate is not really here.
<Kionon> Mirko is idle.
<Kionon> Very well then, -review is ended.
<Kionon> Unless you want a bonus video.
<Kionon> But that's usually not as much fun without more people.
<Melanchthon> Maybe save it for next time?
<Kionon> I'll copy the log and send it to sarah.
Please feel free to view the video and add your own thoughts, adhering to standards of common decency. Thanks.