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Text in AMVs

Postby Rendakor » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:43 am

So I know the general consensus around the Org is to avoid using text whenever possible, but for stylistic reasons I'm probably going to be including some text in my next AMV; I'm using Evangelion and the show frequently uses black screens with white text so I would like to create a couple of these on my own for use in the AMV. What I'm looking for are some tips on how to do it right; what font(s) to use, where on the screen to position the text, how big, etc. Or, failing that, give me some reasons why using text in AMVs is so awful.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby irriadin » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:15 am

I'll leave it to the experts to tell you how to do text right. I can point at some editors I think are very good at text, like snapxynith, Corsair or KuroUnmei. It basically boils down to: is it really necessary to use text in your video?

It sounds like the way you're going to use it is for brief clips and not in a "kinetic text" kind of way, but can you provide an example of what you're trying to do, or what Eva scenes you're trying to mimic?
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby Rendakor » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:28 am

The best example would probably be from Episode 25, where it cuts back and forth between Shinji talking and being "answered" by the screens of white text on black, like so:

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The ideal is just to use a couple clips like this to flesh out scenes where I'm trying to show either dialog or monolog that isn't reflected perfectly in the lyrics of my song. And unfortunately the Platinum Collection DVDs all use Japanese for these scenes with softsubs, so I can't even try to use the ones already in the show.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby ngsilver » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:52 am

I wouldn't call myself an expert on the subject, but many of the complaints I see related to text in videos generally revolve around the type of text.

It would probably be best to stray away from any defaults. That is, like the default effects and font designs in Premier's Titler function, or any other defaults. Don't use fonts like Times New Roman and what not. Use a font that is readable and pleasing to the eye (don't know how you can tell if it's pleasing though.)

As for where to place the text, if we go by the standards in video, it's best to keep the text within the title safe area, and even better to put it in the action safe area. These are generally in the center of the screen.

Beyond that, it's really up for interpretation and honestly anything goes. You don't have to follow anything I said. This is all based on complaints I've received on my own videos.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby Radical_Yue » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:58 am

Why is Brad not all over this topic? o:

Two of my favorite examples of text done right:





I like comic sans.

No joke.

Best font ever. |:
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby Brad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:24 am

As a graphic design/typography nerd, I love to see really well designed and placed type in a video. But it should serve a purpose and be a part of the story you're trying to tell. Sometime's that means using it to push the atmosphere you're trying to create, or literally TELL a story with words.

If all you're trying to do is recreate the look of the Evangelion text cut-aways, I'd try and find the exact font they used and then do your best to actually recreate on of their frames (word for word). That way you'll know the size, tracking, color, glow effects, etc. With all that known you can then change it to whatever text you want.

If you're interested in learning about typography in general, I'd look at it from a traditional graphic design aspect first and foremost rather than a "how do I make text in my videos look good" one. One of my favorite sites on the subject is thinkingwithtype.com. It's basically a complete dictionary of all the fundamental principles associated with typography. But if you're looking for some quick pointers:

1) Learn to kern
2) Never stretch your text (either horizontally or vertically) unless you REALLY know what you're doing and are doing it for a specific jarring effect
3) Don't stack letters on top of eachother to spell out a word. If you need to have a word going vertically, rotate it 90 degrees.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby Castor Troy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:33 am

Rendakor wrote:So I know the general consensus around the Org is to avoid using text whenever possible


It is? :?: :shock:
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby Rendakor » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:35 am

Brad wrote:If all you're trying to do is recreate the look of the Evangelion text cut-aways, I'd try and find the exact font they used and then do your best to actually recreate on of their frames (word for word). That way you'll know the size, tracking, color, glow effects, etc. With all that known you can then change it to whatever text you want.

Good call, this is what I'll try to do. Thanks.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby outlawed » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:32 pm

Thread is totally incomplete without this classic.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby TheLuminaireShow » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:01 pm

In general I find use of text to be distracting and/or garish. If you feel like it's a good idea, I say the subtler the better. Be subdued.
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Re: Text in AMVs

Postby TritioAFB » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:34 pm

I didn't know there was a 'consensus' too. But it's not like the text is your enemy.

Now the question is when to use it. If it's really necessary, go ahead, but if you are not even sure what function the text will do, then don't use it.

And about the selection of the text, be sure if it fits the video properly. It's not like I'm going to use whatever font I find first, and that's all
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