The Truth about Bad AMVs

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The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby meleechampion » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:39 pm

The Truth about Bad AMVs

See, I've noticed here on AnimeMusicVideos.org, we get a lot of comments like this:

Those subtitles/watermarks were an artistic choice.
I don't care what you say because youtube liked it.
Ripping footage is hard, these fansubs will do just fine.
etc... etc...

...and I have my own views of this; or at least a pretty good idea.
I mean, I can certainly identify what I hate and what I don't hate.
And I'm certain we can all do this.

But I've never truly tried defining a Bad AMV in clear concise terms.
However, in order to provide a reasonable answer, I'm going to have to reword the question a bit:

Do you think there are any Universal Truth(s) to what makes a Bad AMV?
If so, what are they? Supporting AMV Examples may help waste everyone's time, but are not necessary.


I think I have an answer.
But it might help if I showed my bias.
So you know how I arrived at my assumptions.
Let's break it down...


Old Anime >> Like, really old. Like "is that 480p?" old.

Bad Music >> Anything not popular.

No AMV Concept >> You don't wanna tell a story or have a theme, that's too much work. Just throw the fight scenes on the timeline and you're set.

Sources 'Don't Fit' >> (not that this is completely subjective or anything)

AMV Flow >> Fast parts go slow! Slow parts go slower!

Bad Editing >> Again, completely subjective, but hey at least I can rebuttal with "I have my opinion, and it's an opinion not a fact so you have to respect my opinion" (that your video is bad)

Predictability // Unpredictability >> Sometimes you're lazy and you only use one episode for your AMV but then BAM, SURPRISE you run out of footage and have to use another episode.

(...and I'm sure I'm missing some stuff too, but that seems like enough information to encode my file...)
(...also note: I'm too lazy to come up with any examples, but I'm sure you can see these as you go to a local or Florida anime convention and watch their AMV contest...)


However, the hierarchy is non-linear. By this, I mean it's all made up. Or that art cannot be defined. Or we're stupid for trying to. (please argue about whether amvs are art in the comments below, please like and favorite and subscribe and share on facebook)


So to get to the TRUTH of the matter, one has to look at the Truths that overlap the most.

(Now, in my estimation, I think this is evident in the last point:)


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Predictability // Unpredictability >> Easy to Follow // (because you were lazy in source selection)



So, Technically, I think that's the answer, but I don't think that just makes AMVs bad-- that makes anything bad.

For me, this makes a lot of sense, because, as with *any* form of entertainment: There is something common.



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                      ',-~~         |   /'           `~~-. `'       .-~~~~.
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         `\ `\_.||  ;  ||         /'  ,-~  `~.    '----~~~_.--~~
           `\/`  |  |  ;______  ,'   |  ,'    |       _.-~  ;               _,
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/~~~-    ~~~     `\                            _,__,'   ___,-'    |         |
`-.                `-..___...__            _.-'/    ~~~~          ;         ;
`--`\____       __..---~~ ~~--..~--------~~   |                  ,'       ,'
                                          "Catbus" (from "My Neighbor Totoro")
                                                               --- Dov Sherman


... but what is it?

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                              _           _              / /
                             / \_______ /|_\             \/
                            /          /_/ \__
                           /             \_/ /
                         _|_              |/|_
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                         _|_      (_)      _|_
                          \                 /
                           _\_____________/_
                          /  \/  (___)  \/  \
                          \__(  o     o  )__/                   tif'95



... do you know?


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_`| / __`| / __`| / __`| / .-^  ___       
---/ /----/ /----/ /----/ /--=^^   ^^=,
--/ /----/ /----/ /----/ /---=__   __='
|._/   |._/   |._/   |._/       ^^^       

                                "Makankosappou"
                                   (from Dragonball Z)
                                    --- Steven J. Simmons



... do *I* know...?

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 !::;       ":;:!.!.\_!_!_!.!-'-':;:''    '''!
 ';:'        `::;::;'             ''     .,  .
   `:     .,.    `'    .::... .      .::;::;'
     `..:;::;:..      ::;::;:;:;,    :;::;'
       "-:;::;:;:      ':;::;:''     ;.-'
           ""`---...________...---'"" Bugbyte



Maybe try examining some AMVs...

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    %%%6 `                                 """"
    %%%   <                            oo''@ @ |
    %%% )(           __o                    /  9
    %%%_  \      _/  \ /                   \= /
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      \_..--<__________/               /    |     \
       )==0                      ____oooo______oooo______
     #######                    /_______________________/
    ########                   [_______________________]
     #######                         ||   | |   || |
      \   ||                         ||___| |___||/
       \  ||                         ||  || ||  ||
       /  //                         ||  || ||  ||
      (  ||                          ||  || ||  ||
       \ ||                          ||  || ||  ||
        )||                          | == | | == |
        |\\                          |(__)/ \(__)|
_apc____V\\\____________________ ====================___


Maybe, as you watch them.... examine yourself.

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   ;      ;              ~"-....  b`8888888:::::.`8888. .:;;;''
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 :       ;                     `.      "``::::::''    .'
    ;                           `.   \_              /
  ;       ;                       +:   ~~--  `:'  -';
                                   `:         : .::/
      ;                            ;;+_  :::. :..;;;
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Maybe try to: Examine my post.

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  /         \       /         \
 /  /~~~~~\  \     /  /~~~~~\  \
 |  |     |  |     |  |     |  |
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 |  |     |  |     |  |     |  |       //
(o  o)    \  \_____/  /     \  \_____/ /
 \__/      \         /       \        /
  |         ~~~~~~~~~         ~~~~~~~~
  ^



What is the answer...

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     Quiet, Pinky; I'm pondering.    | \\  l\\l_ //    |   Err ... right,
            _              _         |  \\/ `/  `.|    |   Brain!  Narf!
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          |  \\   \      //  |       |  \|   |   |\ /  |   /
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         ] Y  ||        ||  Y [       \___\_--_ /_/__/
         |  \_|l,------.l|_/  |       /.-\(____) /--.\
         |   >'          `<   |       `--(______)----'
         \  (/~`--____--'~\)  /           U// U / \
          `-_>-__________-<_-'            / \  / /|
              /(_#(__)#_)\               ( .) / / ]
              \___/__\___/                `.`' /   [
               /__`--'__\                  |`-'    |
            /\(__,>-~~ __)                 |       |__
         /\//\\(  `--~~ )                 _l       |--:.
         '\/  <^\      /^>               |  `   (  <   \\
              _\ >-__-< /_             ,-\  ,-~~->. \   `:.___,/
             (___\    /___)           (____/    (____)    `---'



...that ties all Bad AMVs and all Reality TV shows together?

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                                        _.--(\,/\,`\
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                                      : . . .' .  . |  _`--.
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                             .;;,'       ,;;;;-'   :  .     -'
                            .;.'       ,';;;':     `  `
                            ;;'      .;;;-'  ;  ,             ,
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  ,' :  '   :  . . _.;._  .  ,' ,-'
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'      :     `.::||     ::||  '            ,-'         ___ `-.
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    ,    `     ::|| `-' ::||   `_,-' `\_:_/'   `--._ `-(_)-'  |
    `          ::||      :||   ; .  .   :    .  .   ;       `.|
               ::||`-'   :||  : .  .  __`.__  .  .  :          |
               `:||      :|;  `.  .  ; ____ :  .  . `,         |
                :;       `'     `.  /;'    `|---._   ;          |
                `               ; );::.,   , \:::||/'           `.         
                               .' :::||` - '  :::||              :
                              ,'  :::||       :::||              :.
   (         `.   ,'         ,'   :::|| `--'  :::||  -'          ::
     -.       `---'       _,-'    `::|:       :::||              `|
      `-  (             ,'   ,     ::|| `   ' :::|| -'            |
    )    )  -.         ,'    `     ::||       `::||   --'         :
   ) -.      `     __,-'    ,       :||        ::||               :
      `   _____,--'         `        \;        `;/'            : .:
 __,-----'            ,        ` .                              `::
-'           ,         `      :   `  .         -                   :
     ,    , `,     ,         `.__    `     -      -      ;      '::
(  , '    '  `     `    ;    ,'  `---.__            ;    ',      :
 \ '  ,          ,     ,'               `-._         ;    ';    ::
  `-. '          `    :   ;                 `.        ,    ;,   ::
     )        ,       :   `;                  `.   ,' ` ,  ,'   ;
`.  )__    ,  `  ,    `.   `; __                :  ,    ` ,'   :
 )  )  `---`____ `      `   _'--`-.             ;___,----:    ,
__ \)))          `-----. _,-' --   `------.__,  ,'       |    ;
                     ,-' -__,_______           ;        :       ,'
                      `--'          `---------'          `-----'



Because there has got to be something.


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...because as with any form of entertainment:

(Oh, I certainly hope you read the rest of what I said...)

Spoiler :
POOP


And that is the closest thing to the Truth... I think anyone can get.

That is what makes... A. Bad. AMV.

-Melee


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So, what do YOU think?

Do you think there are any Universal Truth(s) to what makes a Bad AMV?
If so, what are they? Please post in my thread.

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:56 pm

I'm okay with this, because some people get the style I was using to build up towards Surprise in my thread... and some people don't get it. I fully accept that.

So I can laugh at myself, though it does feel a bit cruel in some respects.

If you are okay with that, I am okay with that.
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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby JaddziaDax » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:29 am

If I don't like it then it's bad.

/truth

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby badmartialarts » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:26 pm

I think I break every one of your rules. :ying:
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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby Fall_Child42 » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:29 pm

badmartialarts wrote:I think I break every one of your rules. :ying:


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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby slimed » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:08 am

meleechampion wrote:Do you think there are any Universal Truth(s) to what makes a Bad AMV?

art is subjective, so no. there are accepted standards when it comes to technical aspects, but i don't think there are any "universal truths" to what is good or bad.
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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby meleechampion » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:23 am

Wow, it looks like you all "get" it, or even if you don't... great job! A+ I'm very very proud and not disappointed in you at all. :D

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby Castor Troy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:18 pm

There are no bad amvs. Only bad watchers.
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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby ZephyrStar » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:55 am

meleechampion wrote:Wow, it looks like you all "get" it, or even if you don't... great job! A+ I'm very very proud and not disappointed in you at all. :D


I love you. :shark:

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby gotegenks » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:12 pm

you people suck.
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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby Magicflier » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:58 pm

Castor Troy wrote:There are no bad amvs. Only bad watchers.


LOL.

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby AceD » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:43 pm

Castor Troy wrote:There are no bad amvs. Only bad watchers.
To a degree....there is a lot of truth in this :P

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby MycathatesyouAMV » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:26 pm

But I like poop.
Add me on skype cause im bored: Mycathatesyou0000

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby Kionon » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:31 am

Castor Troy wrote:There are no bad amvs. Only bad watchers.


There are no bad AMVs. Only bad editors. :awesome:

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Re: The Truth about Bad AMVs

Postby macchinainterna » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:20 pm

gotegenks wrote:you people suck.


That's so not true, gotegenks.

Some of us blow. Some of us bite. Some of us even wang chung! And as for the rest of us? Well, we just plain stink. :bear:


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