DriftRoot wrote:So now we get attempts at meta-discussion and stabs at people's personal views and beliefs, but for anyone outside the .Org looking in, I can't believe that's a very attractive, interesting or valuable face we're putting forward. Every thread that gets posted like this and every person who stays silent and lets a smaller and smaller group of people do the talking is letting those threads and those people define the face of the .Org. Want to be more casual about AMVs and offer a more open and welcoming atmosphere for newcomers? Want to celebrate different kinds of "good" AMVs? Then do so, because it's not going to happen without you. WE are the .Org, every single one of us, but the only people in control of the .Org as a community are the people who act and speak in full view of the community.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, but I like how you bring this up. The way I see it, progress can only occur through struggle/conflict. So yeah, in the beginning, it might not look to friendly, but in the end we might actually get somewhere by talking about this stuff. Much like my thread How has the hobby made a difference in your life?
, I never really talked to my Dad for the majority of my life. But once we hashed things out, now he's like my best friend. So YES. WE. ARE. THE. .ORG. And we CAN speak up.
Each and every one of us. Even those who have never posted anything in their lives.
JudgeHolden wrote:It's all personal taste, pure and simple. Just like movies ... I mean I have a friend who thinks Constantine is the greatest movie ever made.
Do you know *why* they like the movie so much? so you can see things from their perspective? Perhaps they don't watch that many movies. Share your opinion. Show them the light.
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Do enough research on human psychology, social psychology, neuro-science, and the underlying biology behind it all (including stuff like genetics), and you begin to appreciate the collective understanding of how we appreciate things on a subconscious level has more roots in what we are than who we are. As a species, we are preconditioned, independent of nurture, to recognize and derive some degree of pleasure from certain underlying qualities of objects or other people. These are "truths" of the human race. We are, quite literally, hard-wired (neurologically speaking) to see beauty in the golden ratio.
It's a little depressing to thing about, but quite true. Yet, it also gives me an appreciation for the complexities of everything.
I'm going to say no to this emphatically. There's nothing wrong with having academic discussion. I concede, however, that only a small subset of us are actually having academic discussions, while another portion chimes in with gut reactions, and yet another with conversations completely orthogonal to the topic at hand.
Gut reactions lead to more Truth than you would think based on cold hard logic. Because even if you are wrong, by following your gut reaction you eventually
get on the right path, which is better than not travelling on any path at all. AND as a bonus, if you make a mistake, you get to experience the other path as well; to truly understand what's it's like to be on the other side; to understand other perspectives *fully.* Not just a simulation of what you think in your head. So, it's okay to follow your gut reaction and make mistakes sometimes. Mistakes can be fixed. Quite easily actually. If you are just willing to admit when you make them. Then adjust accordingly. Because it's the final outcome that matters, eh?
*sheds tear*YOU UNDERSTAND ME!!! (I'm assuming that by page 3 everyone has read my first post, so spoilers aside now:) "WE EXPECT TO BE SURPRISED!"Is that NOT a UNIVERSAL TRUTH.
gotegenks wrote:i feel like a lot of people are missing the point here. He's not trying to say "can every single human being agree that a good concept makes a good amv?" He's really saying "what about what we like in a video makes us like it? What about what we like in a video is similar to what people with opposing viewpoints like?"
youtubers may like twitches and oversync, the org may like good concepts and such, but what about those two preferences is similar? and the answer he's going for isn't "well they both include good visuals" or anything physical like that, the answer is more subconscious than that, and i believe he hit the nail on the head with "surprise."
and i can see people taking that like "everyone likes an amv with a twist right?" but that's not at all what he was saying, and he described it in full detail in one of his responses.
i really have yet to see anything that really disputes that claim in here.
Something to tell us what TRULY makes a good AMV?
NOBODY HAS CHALLENGED THIS YET.