
VicBond007 wrote:Good idea. Better get rid of this site. It gets a couple thousand hits per day and basically acts as a nexus to hundreds of thousands of these illegal videos, not to mention encourages the production of new ones!
62.jpg)
anneke wrote:This is the same thing that happened to me when I brought up the arguement long ago. The people (like Vic) who are selling DVDs, see nothing wrong in doing so and they don't give a damn about the AMV community or how their actions may affect or destroy the community. They won't listen, and it's these people that will cause the downfall of the AMV community (along with losing the ability to distribute AMVs or show them at conventions, etc...)
As for the Org. It is a big target. It can still be a gathering place for AMV creators, as they are not illegal to make (in the privacy of your own home). However the catelogue would have to go. I'm sure they would want to get rid of the forums as well, because people could use them to talk about how to distribute their AMVs 'illegally'.
We'll be left with wonderful How-To Guides, and Interviews with creators, and that's it.
Anneke

Drawshot wrote:
Making AMVs with copyrighted material could be considered just bending copyright laws.
VicBond007 wrote:A) I'm not stocking store shelves with my "product". I'm distributing it in places where music videos are not only accepted, but rewarded.
VicBond007 wrote:B) Cons have been giving prizes, many of them CASH prizes, for winning AMVs for years. There's always been a big public display of this and it's no secret. The fact of the matter is that this is happening at a convention, and not on national television where the general public can give a damn.
VicBond007 wrote:C) The practice of making and publicly selling fan doujinshi has been around since I can remember. Many don't even acknowledge their original sources. If such a practice is acceptable, then my AMVs are no different. The industry has more important things to worry about, like people bootlegging entire episodes, yet they don't even do anything about that. Bootleggers taunt license-holders by plastering their email and web addresses all over their work, making them easy to find, yet the industry has no interest in prosecuting even those that are DIRECTLY costing them sales, let alone some fanboy distributing fan-crap.
VicBond007 wrote:Do I understand where you're coming from? Yes. Am I going to stop? No. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I'm not scamming anyone. I have a website (and bandwidth is not cheap!) where you can download all you want. Although, I wouldn't advise it, because remember, it's illegal for me to distribute them at all isn't it?
VicBond007 wrote:But that's not the basis of this thread. You have no problem with my DVD, you just have a problem with the money changing hands. I could lie and say it was all to cover production costs. Hell, if I didn't know people that could get me cheap DVDs, then $7 wouldn't even make BACK production costs! But I'm not. I'm honest like that, and that seems to be getting me into more trouble as quite a few of you take offense to the $2 I make on a sale. Am I greedy? Am I collecting for expenses I shouldn't be? Yes. $12,000 for a computer is excessive, and I decided to spend that kind of money over the years, and I don't deserve anything from anybody apparently because this is my "hobby". Well even the hobbyist strives for his hard efforts to be rewarded, and if $2 is too much to ask, I've got plenty of crappy free CDs to give out.

Nightowl wrote:If you have a good lawyer, and you're dokidoki, MAYBE you can argue parody or satire


dokidoki wrote:Nightowl wrote:If you have a good lawyer, and you're dokidoki, MAYBE you can argue parody or satire
Woohoo!

zenmetsu wrote:i'm sick of this thread....yeah, this debate is stupid. it was a result of overestimating everyone's intelligence. sorry. my bad.
reuters.com wrote:U.S. Takeover Fails to Shutdown Bootleg Web Site
Wed February 26, 2003 03:47 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday it had seized a Web site that offered information on bootlegged video games and movies, but the site remained available to many Internet users.
The Justice Department said it had taken over the Web site (http://www.isonews.com) after its owner pleaded guilty to selling computer chips that would enable users to play bootleg video games on Microsoft Corp. Xbox consoles.
Some visitors to the site found a warning against copyright infringement and a link to the Justice Department's computer-crime division, but others were able to reach a version of the original site, which serves as a meeting place for Internet users.
A Justice Department spokesman was not immediately available for comment.
The site, which claimed up to 140,000 hits each day, does not contain illegal copies of video games, software and movies, but instead contains message boards where Internet users can trade tips about such "warez," and visitors continued to post messages there early on Wednesday afternoon.
A computer network engineer explained to Reuters that the domain name pointed to at least two numerical Internet addresses, only one of which was controlled by the government. Users would encounter differing versions of the Web site depending on which address was stored by their "name servers," which match domain names to numerical addresses, the engineer said.
According to the Justice Department, David Rocci, 22, agreed to surrender the site after pleading guilty last December to importing 450 Enigmah Mod Chips from Britain and selling them for between $45 and $60 apiece.
Rocci will face a prison sentence of up to five years and fines up to $500,000 at his sentencing on March 7, the government said.
"David Rocci developed a public Web site that specifically catered to the underground piracy community," said Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff. "He attempted to profit by marketing circumvention devices to that community knowing they would be used to play pirated games."
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests