"old school" please define

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Re: "old school" please define

Postby Rider4Z » Wed May 23, 2012 6:34 pm

Old School. Stuff that was made 10+ years ago. Old school videos had limited effect techniques, and ridiculous editing software. (we are so spoiled today). Calling anything new "old school" is like calling Avatar anime. It may be "old school" style to where it looks like it could have been made 15 years ago because of its simplicity, but it's not technically old school.

It's like t-shirts manufactured to look vintage.
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby JudgeHolden » Wed May 23, 2012 8:33 pm

I am old, and I went to school ... So, I am Old School.
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby ngsilver » Wed May 23, 2012 9:03 pm

Old School for me is videos that either were made back in the day when I was first getting into watching AMVs or videos that emulate the style and feel of those videos.

In a more finite sense, I generally refer to videos before the effects boom that started with videos like Euphoria and Tainted Donuts as old school and those made after as new school. This would of course mean that all of my own videos are technically defined as new school, however if I am trying to emulate the feeling of said early videos I would then define that video as an old school style video.

While the use or lack of effects doesn't exactly make a video old or new, it is the general push towards visual quality and effects that for me helped shape this classification of old and new.
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby seasons » Thu May 24, 2012 10:11 am

Typical response in 2012:

Well-established editor makes a simple video. "This is old school, I like it!"

New/unknown editor makes a simple video. "This was pretty boring. I probably won't watch this again."
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby seasons » Thu May 24, 2012 10:24 am

"Old school" is, to me, inextricably tied up with the age of the sources. I have a hard time understanding how anyone could make a video with, say, a dubstep song and something like Black Rock Shooter, regardless of editing style, and ever have it perceived by anyone as "old school." Whereas any AMV featuring anime from the very early 90s or beforehand is naturally going to lend itself to that perception, possibly to the point where it'll transcend whatever modern/new editing style it's used with. I know that's how I tend to see things and I think the same is true of many other viewers.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this but I think it's the general rule.
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby Radical_Yue » Thu May 24, 2012 2:07 pm

To me, there are 2 kinds of old school.


Bad oldschool - Typically poor encode or bleh looking, over the top cheesy lyric sync, long running scenes, and very few transitions that aren't basic straight cuts or crossfades. I usually think of "bad oldschool" when it comes to editors who started a long time ago, were good back in the day, and never progressed or got any better. For people who are familiar with their work it seems like "same 'ol same 'ol" whereas newcomers just think that they just kinda suck.
Videos that usually begin with a "hey, this combination might work..." But they never really advance from that mind set of might work and are left underdeveloped.

Good oldschool
- I enjoy seeing good old school, since good oldschool is more "common sense" type editing to me. These videos don't exactly use the newest HD sources, but sources that are near and dear to the editor's heart. When you watch these videos, it's incredibly obvious that they really loved making this video and took a a long amount of time deciding on which scenes to use in attempt to convey their feelings about the show. Not usually videos that are heavy on effects but any type of effect work that goes into them is rather subtle and has a purpose. These are never videos that are "I was bored" or "lol. I like this song" videos. When I say common sense editing, I mean only putting in exactly what the video needs, never less and never attempting to make it over the top ZOMGLOOKVIDEOCOPILOT!
Videos that usually stem from a strong love of the sources or stem from an idea that an editor has held onto for a long time but has always wanted to do. When they think about the video, it plays perfectly in their head. Every scene and emotion has already been decided.

Not to say newer videos don't occasionally have the same amount of love go into them, but I suppose it's more of a simplistic style that makes a video "oldschool." No over the top blur zooms, constant panning, or latest AE plugins, just old fashion editing that's all about being juuuuust right.
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby Castor Troy » Thu May 24, 2012 4:10 pm

Old school = 2001 and before.
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby JudgeHolden » Thu May 24, 2012 4:22 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Old school = 2001 and before.



Why 2001? ... Oh, I see what ya did thar .... :ying:
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Re: "old school" please define

Postby gotegenks » Thu May 24, 2012 4:46 pm

i don't know much about amv old school, but i know my Can't Stop video that was loaded with effects got called old school by KH-editing veterans because it had a lot of super literal lyric sync and constant beat sync in it which were aspects of the most popular videos and editing styles back in like...idk...2006? that community isn't very old...

Old sources probably bring up the feeling of "old school" because when an editor edits an old source it makes them think of the most popular videos with that source which are probably old since it's an old source -inhale-. So most videos using old sources get used with an old style and that makes em old school. Although, try to use the same style with a new source like redline and i don't know if it's even possible to make it feel old school without using a 50's song and zero action scenes, but even then...

i think it mostly has to do with style, but old sources tend to bring out that style the most so old sources are where you find the old school style.
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