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Re: Editing with newbs

Postby DJ_Izumi » Wed May 09, 2012 5:35 pm

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DJ_Izumi wrote:"I downloaded this video through YouTube, then used it in my After Effects project, exported as MOV h.264, to import it into Premiere, then exported it as MPEG-2. Why does it look like crap though?"
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this one, made me remember those old days I spent trying to learn how to compress ...


These days I try not to feel dirty just for using a 4:2:0 color space. :( I accept that I must use 4:2:0, though in some circumstances, 4:2:2, because I don't have access to video camera equiptment that shoots in RAW. :(
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Re: Editing with newbs

Postby hasteroth » Wed May 09, 2012 9:45 pm

heh, I'm in Film Studies at Ryerson University (it's not all theory like the University of Toronto program, it's almost entirely hands on).

And well I've met far too many people that have never touched editing software before in their lives, so yeah I can sympathize.
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Re: Editing with newbs

Postby hasteroth » Wed May 09, 2012 9:48 pm

(sorry about the double post)

The fun thing about my program is they let the editors use whatever they want and edit on whatever they want. Because all you hand in is the final video, the program is taught with FCP but I myself use Premiere Pro CS5.5 (got CS6 for next year though). In fact if we want the Tools and Apps (editing, effects, etc) prof will teach Avid outside of class.
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Editing with newbs

Postby TEKnician » Wed May 09, 2012 9:58 pm

There REALLY needs to be a class dedicated to learning digital video theories.

Someone asked me why their videos look horrible. I said to them:

"The video has to know where where each pixel and color has to go. Your computer threw out some of that info just to make the file size smaller. When you converted that YouTube video you found and downloaded it, the method you used threw out some data that said that pixels should be there."

"So how do I get a higher quality video from YouTube?"

"Just don't. It will never work."

Now this was a 60 year old lady. You think I'm gonna tell her how to actually get an HD video off of YouTube and onto her iPad?
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Re: Editing with newbs

Postby DJ_Izumi » Thu May 10, 2012 12:12 am

TEKnician wrote:There REALLY needs to be a class dedicated to learning digital video theories.

Someone asked me why their videos look horrible. I said to them:

"The video has to know where where each pixel and color has to go. Your computer threw out some of that info just to make the file size smaller. When you converted that YouTube video you found and downloaded it, the method you used threw out some data that said that pixels should be there."

"So how do I get a higher quality video from YouTube?"

"Just don't. It will never work."

Now this was a 60 year old lady. You think I'm gonna tell her how to actually get an HD video off of YouTube and onto her iPad?


The problem though is this: It's a LOT of freakin' info. Let's be honest here, how many of us took a fairly long time from 'square one' to 'totally knowing what we're doing'? Early on, how many things were you doing just because you were TOLD to do them in a tutorial, without knowing what it actually meant?

Sure, I can spew off 29.97 or 23.976 off the top of my head without thinking now, but few of my classmates could... But I'm the one who's seen those numbers a million times in the last twelve years.

I could never gain the knowledge I have in 2-3 years at school, with four months off in the summer. There's just too damn much. Heck, I'm still learning things. I only l earned that there was a world beyond 8 bit per channel RGBA this summer. Red cinema cameras, with wavelet compressed REDCODE RAW video, with 12 bits per channel? I havn't gotten to work with that kinda material beyond samples I've downloaded, but it blows away what you can do with YUV 4:2:0 8bpc crap we've been pulling off DVDs and Blu-Rays for AMVS. Even for photos, I can only use RAW 14bpc files as opposed to JPEGs after realizing how awesome raw data off the sensor is.
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Editing with newbs

Postby TEKnician » Thu May 10, 2012 12:31 am

Why don't we come up with a glossary of terms for the org? Like a digi-dictionary that everyone contributes a unique definition of a video term.

I think it'd be nice to just have all kinds of video verbiage in one little place for reference. I'm talking like "I look at a codec as a [this] kinda like how a [this does this]". People give their own interpretations of a term that may make sense for others.

Any takers?
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Re: Editing with newbs

Postby hasteroth » Thu May 10, 2012 1:46 am

TEKnician wrote:Why don't we come up with a glossary of terms for the org? Like a digi-dictionary that everyone contributes a unique definition of a video term.

I think it'd be nice to just have all kinds of video verbiage in one little place for reference. I'm talking like "I look at a codec as a [this] kinda like how a [this does this]". People give their own interpretations of a term that may make sense for others.

Any takers?


This actually seems like a fantastic idea, I mean the Everything A/V guide is great for getting people started but there needs to be something that much more advanced. All those "little" things that get overlooked in tutorials.
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Re: Editing with newbs

Postby zibbazabba905 » Thu May 10, 2012 3:05 am

Maybe a wiki?
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Postby TEKnician » Thu May 10, 2012 4:33 pm

zibbazabba905 wrote:Maybe a wiki?
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a wiki sticky? :awesome:
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