AMVs vs MADs

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AMVs vs MADs

Postby KyuuAL » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:49 pm

I assume this topic had come up before. However, using the search function, I can't find any previous discussion on this topic. Searches come up with people being "mad" about stuff. :P

But anyways, I come here to ask this one simple question:

Is there a distinction between AMVs and MADs? If so, how?

My short answer: No, there isn't. There is no difference between the two, if you analyze the general composition of the two sets of videos. I make this assertion regardless of video quality, music choice (or lack of music), and purpose of the video.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby Rendakor » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:22 pm

What's MAD stand for?
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby ryuuseisoul » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:27 pm

It's the Japanese equivalent to an AMV. It stands for "Music Anime Doujinshi."
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby Pwolf » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:28 am

Back in the day, iirc, MADs generally used stills from scans or other media rather than anime. They were also almost always done by the Japanese. Nowadays, as mentioned, MADs and AMVs are the same thing.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby Nya-chan Production » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:53 am

ryuuseisoul wrote:It stands for "Music Anime Doujinshi."

No, it doesn't.
"The term MAD (occasionally M@D) is thought to be a reference to the name of one of the original MADs, rather than a particular acronym for anything."

Pwolf wrote:Back in the day, iirc, MADs generally used stills from scans or other media rather than anime. They were also almost always done by the Japanese. Nowadays, as mentioned, MADs and AMVs are the same thing.

The MAD mainstream still uses more scans and/or VN stills. But it gets closer to AMVs over time, that's true.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby Kairih » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:50 am

MADs are pretty cool and I guess you're right, but I prefer AMVs. :D
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby kireblue » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:48 am

M@Ds also have a few genres that arien't really found in AMVs. My favorites are the M@Ds that mimic OPs and EDs of various anime series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k5UGUz ... plpp_video
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby KyuuAL » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:16 am

kireblue wrote:M@Ds also have a few genres that arien't really found in AMVs. My favorites are the M@Ds that mimic OPs and EDs of various anime series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k5UGUz ... plpp_video


Come to think of it, you're right. And for you AMV makers, it's a kind of project some of you ought to think about. Hint Hint. :wink: :idea: Don't look at me. I'm just an advocate.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby mirkosp » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:43 am

Well, when you think of an AMV you think of anime and music, while generally when you think of a MAD, it's set to VN's and original drawings; also there are MMVs, which are, well, made with manga. But the definition of AMVs includes MMVs and what we usually think of when talking about MADs.

However, MADs and AMVs aren't entirely overlapping. MADs also include things which are not part of AMVs, which include a lot of the M@Ds based on commercial spots and/or movie/real life thing audio mixes and so on.
For example, those pesky Ronald McDonald videos are M@Ds ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5YFVagu8M ), as well as all those M@Ds that "remix" an audio/video feature to sound like a song, most often some DDR or Beatmania ( some to red zone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtfpybWWCso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTYo8kD6U8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pFM_PX9xI4 ). These videos are not necessarily AMVs, since they do not always use anime as the source (when they do, they count as amv, so for example, this is also an AMV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDKXd6965fg ), but when they use sources which are not fine for AMVs, well, they are M@Ds, yet not AMVs.

On the other side of the coin, to my better knowledger, trailer videos (at least the ones set to actual trailer audio), which are not too rarely done as AMVs, are not considered MADs at all. So there we go.
MADs and AMVs are for the most two intersecting sets, but they each have their own differences. You could be editing a video that falls under both definitions, or you could be doing one that doesn't.

Re: OP Parody: Scintilla's Eva Bebop, for example. But either way, OP Parodies do count as AMVs as long as the source used was an anime/manga/game/visual novel. The differences come in when the visual source is not one of those, as far as op parodies are concerned.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby TritioAFB » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:11 am

This is the perfect topic for AceD

Keep in mind what's the conception of the AMV for the Japanese community. Since the AMV is not so popular in Japan, and instead what seems prefered is the style of animations (at some cases). The MAD not always includes the anime as main source, it may even be Live Action footage just with remixes of Japanese songs.

Taking as example my video The Voice of a Kawaii Generation, when I made it, I didn't intend it to be a MAD. However, the Japanese consider it a MAD, because of the mix between Kanye West and Mio in the same video.

So the differences are between the footage used and the audio itself
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:35 pm

I've had a number of my videos uploaded to NND and labeled as MAD. By my understanding, Cleft Palette isn't one, but they call it such. Amazing mutable thing language is... Use it incorrectly enough and it becomes a new meaning.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby AceD » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:53 pm

MAD is not just related to anime...its all fanmade edits whether thats a WoW montage, Silvia Saint, Army Tanks.....AMV is an actual dedicated term to a genre

So the アニメ MAD sub-genre is essentially exactly the same as an AMV...animated footage to music, It's not like content or langauge of music means anything when tagging a video, a Japanese dude in Tokyo making his Gurren Lagann video to Katy Perry is going to call it a MAD, because its the term for where he lives....I see the AMVs made by all of you on multiple Chinese/Japanese websites and most of the time they get called MADs.

Nya-chan Production wrote:The MAD mainstream still uses more scans and/or VN stills. But it gets closer to AMVs over time, that's true.
Quite the opposite really, animated are mainstream, its just the "best/established studios" use the stills, but they are the minority.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby dokidoki » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:43 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
ryuuseisoul wrote:It stands for "Music Anime Doujinshi."

No, it doesn't.
"The term MAD (occasionally M@D) is thought to be a reference to the name of one of the original MADs, rather than a particular acronym for anything."

The definition I read was: "One question you may ask is why they are called MAD's. This stems from the name of the tape that was first made. It was originally titled the Kichigai Tape (Tape of Madness), but for some reason or other the title was changed from Japanese to English."
http://web.archive.org/web/200502121723 ... e/mad.html
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby outlawed » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:01 am

dokidoki wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:
ryuuseisoul wrote:It stands for "Music Anime Doujinshi."

No, it doesn't.
"The term MAD (occasionally M@D) is thought to be a reference to the name of one of the original MADs, rather than a particular acronym for anything."

The definition I read was: "One question you may ask is why they are called MAD's. This stems from the name of the tape that was first made. It was originally titled the Kichigai Tape (Tape of Madness), but for some reason or other the title was changed from Japanese to English."
http://web.archive.org/web/200502121723 ... e/mad.html



God I miss that Outlaw guy and his partners in crime who used to fansub stuff and then get forced to translate obscure Japanese web pages.
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Re: AMVs vs MADs

Postby KyuuAL » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:08 am

dokidoki wrote:The definition I read was: "One question you may ask is why they are called MAD's. This stems from the name of the tape that was first made. It was originally titled the Kichigai Tape (Tape of Madness), but for some reason or other the title was changed from Japanese to English."
http://web.archive.org/web/200502121723 ... e/mad.html


I remember reading that. But consider what some of the "original MADs" were:

[quote=MAD Article]At the same time, in a completely different place in Osaka, a middle school student named Imai had started his own MAD creation. It all began from his desire for the background music from the anime show Yamato. At the time no drama records had been released, so he recorded the BGM from the TV show where there was no dialogue and pieced the clips together to make a full song. After enjoying success in this first endeavor, he began to piece together dialogue from the show and create his own memorable scenes for the show.[/quote]

At this point, we may never see those edited videos.

I have a feeling. Today, the closest kind of video with this description: those "abridged" videos found in YouTube. Either that, or scene compilations.
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