
Leader Desslock wrote:What I'm saying is that I can criticize most folks' fanfiction just fine on a variety of sites. I can criticize fan art just fine on a number of sites. But the moment I suggest that someone's AMV is anything less than the acme of creative expression, that person invariably gets bent completely out of shape and starts to rationalize why I just don't "get" the merits of their work.
Leader Desslock wrote:A recent incident on AN underscored this, which is what prompted me to start this thread over here. I'd have discussed this in his thread over at AN, except he deleted the thread. So I made a comment on his actual youtube video, which he ALSO deleted. So I'm left to ponder and discuss this over at what I assume is the Mecca of AMV creators.
Before you even ask, I'm not going to identify the user or his AMV. The thread was deleted on AN. I've checked that it's not in the archive. So I'm not trolling that individual, and I'll toss no bones out by which he can be tracked down. If he wishes to come forward, that's his concern.
Leader Desslock wrote:but the AMV was completely forgettable. The rating I think I gave it was "eh."
Prodigi wrote:Leader Desslock wrote:What I'm saying is that I can criticize most folks' fanfiction just fine on a variety of sites. I can criticize fan art just fine on a number of sites. But the moment I suggest that someone's AMV is anything less than the acme of creative expression, that person invariably gets bent completely out of shape and starts to rationalize why I just don't "get" the merits of their work.
That's because AMV editors put hours and hours into AMVs, from the time consuming ripping and prepping, to the actual syncing of clips. Fan-fiction writers for the most part seem to write romanticized trash and slash fic that requires no imagination or ability.
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You see what I did there? I took a small sample of my own experience with both editing and fan fiction writers and extrapolated it as a whole. Can you now see how what you've written could be interpreted in the same way by us? Yes, obviously you've had some bad experiences with editors not taking criticism. You know what you do then? Don't talk to them. If they're that high strung that they can't take the littlest bit of feedback then just leave them be and focus on the people who will.Leader Desslock wrote:A recent incident on AN underscored this, which is what prompted me to start this thread over here. I'd have discussed this in his thread over at AN, except he deleted the thread. So I made a comment on his actual youtube video, which he ALSO deleted. So I'm left to ponder and discuss this over at what I assume is the Mecca of AMV creators.
Before you even ask, I'm not going to identify the user or his AMV. The thread was deleted on AN. I've checked that it's not in the archive. So I'm not trolling that individual, and I'll toss no bones out by which he can be tracked down. If he wishes to come forward, that's his concern.
Okay, so you don't indicate them by name, but it still appears you're going out of your way to enforce your own opinion on someone else who clearly doesn't want to hear it. After they deleted the initial thread, unhappy with your feedback, you felt it necessary to follow onto their youtube channel and make similar comments there? I'm not saying they weren't being childish for not taking any criticism, but somehow you're the bigger person for then taking it up with them on their public youtube video, and then also creating a thread about it (anonymous or not) on the, as you put it, Mecca of AMV creators? Seems a little backwards to me.Leader Desslock wrote:but the AMV was completely forgettable. The rating I think I gave it was "eh."
Yes, I realise I'm taking this quote out of context and that you did make some valid points before it, I acknowledge that. However, following it with a comment like "eh" or stating that it was completely forgettable is hardly constructive feedback. If I were to say "well yes that shirt does look nice on you but your face just really ruins the whole thing" it would hardly be considered constructive. Your suggestions for fixes were fair, but your follow-up comments were completely unnecessary.
You started out sounding like a fairly intelligent person who actually had a legitimate question but the more I read the more I questioned this. Yes, I'm not denying some people in the hobby can't take criticism, but this is true of all hobbies and as I stated before you've taken a small sampling and extrapolated to a whole.
You write "I'm not trolling that individual" yet you then go and post private responses from them and then you try to systematically pick them apart while sound like over-opinionated swine. Anyone who uses the phrases "Heaven forbid!" and "Bull excrement" when responding to something someone else has said is generally not giving a fair and unbiased analysis of a situation.
Now if you read my response and think "well your own reply can be used against you because you've just done the exact same thing to me" well that's the point. I'm showing just how useless and uncessary your whole post was and how, in fact, you do seem to want some kind of visceral response from people because otherwise you wouldn't have written an essay and would have just asked a short well-worded question instead of pre-facing it with ass-covering and finger-pointing.
Good day sir.

Prodigi wrote:Good day sir.

Fall_Child42 wrote:That sure is a whole lot of words to ask
"Why do some people take criticism poorly?"

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