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Postby klinky » Thu Feb 20, 2003 8:52 am

Well, I suggest people reduce it enough just so they can browse at a decent speed. Not neatuer it. Of course if you're not using your computer over night removing the cap would be nice.

If someoens getting it just so they can upload at 1KB/sec instead of 30KB/sec. That's evil and should be punished.

As long as the source is out then there will be people who will alter it. I'd not be surprised if someone altered a leech version. :\ Which is like defeats the purpose of file sharing. Kinda like the people on Kazaa with no shares or disabling uploads.

I was thinking of a away around this. Most people will play fair and use the official client. But I am sure some out there would enjoy not having to share. The official client could have peer checking. Where it would ask a peer where it sent a chunk to and how long ago, then it would ask that peer if it received that chunk. If not and if this happens multiple times, or if there is no activitey and there are peers that need bandwidth then that client will get kicked off the network. Keeping them off though would be tough. Since it's a public network if added banning to the protocol, then anyone could send out a ban msg and kill a entire torrent just for fun :\

Anyways :| Just something I was thinking of.

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Postby WilLoW :--) » Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:10 am

Gottaname wrote:Well, I'd recommend you using the normal BT client... if you use the CVS client, you're download speed will not be good, if everyone had this kinda mindset, you might as well go use Kazaa, cause it'll be no better.


I understand that, but please read again what I said: I already have the file...I won't download anything. I think that in this case, even if I upload at 0.00000001KB/s, I won't be considered a leech ? :D
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Postby WilLoW :--) » Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:33 pm

Mmm, I tried to help uploading the file...
Everything seems to be ok (File Check : 100%, download successful)

then I wait , until I get the following message:
error connecting to tracker (7, 'addgetinfo failed')

can sb explain ?
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Postby klinky » Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:46 pm

It means the client can't contact the tracker. Hn.org where I get my dynamic domain from has been acting funky the last month or so. Sometimes their DNS gets overloaded and it can't translate my domain name. It usually comes back within a minute or two.

Just leave it running, if the error bothers you then restart the client :p But it doesn't make much difference. I have the same error but I am uploading to someone right now.
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Postby WilLoW :--) » Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:52 pm

OK I'll retry...
Yes, it works!!!

Klinky <-- helping hand award :D

By the way, I've put a link on my webpage
http://www.bde.enseeiht.fr/clubs/japanim/amv.php

Just tell me if you want me to remove it


Hey, Klinky, where are you ? you seem to be online 24/24 :shock:
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Postby klinky » Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:00 pm

I am in Beaverton, Oregon. West coast USA :O


My sleep schedule is amazingly whacked out :\


So I am on at odd times, usually late at night early morning, usually during your daytime :p


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Postby FurryCurry » Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:25 pm

gottaname, the threats/statements you were making about using the throttlable client seem to indicate a lack of understanding about how BT actually works.

Remember, the client actively seeks out the least common piece of the file, and tries to download that first. Even a 10k upload of the complete file is going to get the most important bits of the file out first. Just a few hours spent uploading (with any client, capped or not) can make a very valuable contribution to people's completion rates.

Also, refer back to my earlier post. I know people that just can't use the regular client, because it tries too hard, gived both a sucky upload AND download, and essentially kills their net connection for any other use, all at the same time. Cutting back to a few k below their cap fixes all those problems, and lets them share much more efficiently.

Someone who just couldn't get a good connection to my FTP tried valiantly for two days to upload this file to me, just because I asked, and almost succeded. On a whim, I made a copy of that file, and pointed this torrent at it, suspecting it was the same file. It was. BT scanned the file, and started at 99%. It completed/fixed the file within 6 minutes, and is now happily uploading at 15k capped.

I'm happy to leave this up for a good long while to help the community, and as thanks to the uploader. If you want to disconnect me because you don't like the cappable client, fine, do it. I already have the file. (and another version that wasn't as well encoded, to boot.)

I've uploaded more than I downloaded from the torrent in the time its taken me to make this post. I also have an FTP to run, and I'm not going to shaft those users for some torrent.

What I can do, is set aside 10-20k for long periods of time to help other folks complete their downloads.

Take it or leave it.
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Postby WilLoW :--) » Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:53 pm

Seeing the stats, everything seems to go pretty well... Currently 7 complete and 3 downloading...does this mean that we have more people who share than people who download ???

Couldn't agree more with what you said, FurryCurry
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Postby WilLoW :--) » Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:11 pm

Hem...does somebody have the DDR1 ?
I already watched the DDR2 4 times in 3 days
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Postby WilLoW :--) » Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:13 pm

Klinky, could you put a link to the stats on the download page ?
I think it can be useful.
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Postby FurryCurry » Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:26 pm

WilLoW :--) wrote:Seeing the stats, everything seems to go pretty well... Currently 7 complete and 3 downloading...does this mean that we have more people who share than people who download ???


That's exactly what that means. :)
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Postby klinky » Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:49 pm

WilLoW :--) wrote:Klinky, could you put a link to the stats on the download page ?
I think it can be useful.


Done! :o
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Postby Synthangel » Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:09 pm

Btw, I fixed my problem. It was being caused by the experimental BT client. I've got cable, and Comcast's an ass so I have to cap my upload. I'm SUPPOSED to have 1.5 Mbit download and 128k upload, but in reality, it's more like 2 Mbit download and 100k upload. Problem is, uploading REALLY saps my download speed. My download speed usually drops 25 kilobytes per second for every 1 kilobyte per second I'm uploading. Well, I redownloaded the file using the original BT client, and it works fine now. Btw, I'd suggest downloading the file overnight. Then, when it finishes, you're still online for like five or six hours for people to download it off you.
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Postby Gottaname » Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:34 pm

Well, frankly, I talked to the creator of BT, Bram... he said no matter what you do, leechers will still not be able to take advantage of the system... even if they were using a bloody remoded file leecher.

I may go and learn Ptyhon and see whether I can remodify the tracker to actually have the capability to track clients in real time and be able deal with any file leechers by manually kicking them off or automated in a sense that if users don't upload a certain percentage of that file, they won't be able to download it fully.

And furry curry, I had my eyes on this project for a long time, I've probably been the only person here on the board to actually take interest in this sytem for AMVs back a few months ago.
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Postby EarthCurrent » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:47 am

:? ::waves a tiny flag for gottaname, but quickly tires and falls asleep::
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