AMV flaws you want to admit

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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:20 am

Emong wrote:No matter how you do it you'll either end up as some kind of an elitist (with a very narrow and ultimately contingent deffinition for a concept) or you come up with a deffinition, which works all too well (when you define concept as an idea you'll end up covering everything with that definition).

Since the parallel to defining art was drawn, the same problem exists there. Modern artists concerned more with their own popularity by being strange and different and "pushing boundaries" have broadened the definition so much that it's a useless label that applies not only to every thing, but every action.

I suppose a better criticism to make, therefore, would be that a video lacks a solid or readily definable concept, not one entirely.

Alternatively, because we all like analogies, what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing? We have a word we can use, drawing, that implies some sort of focused intent and another word, scribbling, that implies a lack of focused intent. I use the example of a 3 year old here to make it painfully simple (they lack the focused intent to be drawing), but anyone can choose to draw or to scribble. Ascetically, drawing is more pleasing to a viewer than scribbling would be, and some people completely suck at drawing so it doesn't make much of a difference which they're doing - the end product is a mess.

Judging by the amazing powers of mental prowess I'm seeing in this thread, I think some people would just be eating the crayon though... :|
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Nya-chan Production » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:03 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Emong wrote:No matter how you do it you'll either end up as some kind of an elitist (with a very narrow and ultimately contingent deffinition for a concept) or you come up with a deffinition, which works all too well (when you define concept as an idea you'll end up covering everything with that definition).

Since the parallel to defining art was drawn, the same problem exists there. Modern artists concerned more with their own popularity by being strange and different and "pushing boundaries" have broadened the definition so much that it's a useless label that applies not only to every thing, but every action.

I suppose a better criticism to make, therefore, would be that a video lacks a solid or readily definable concept, not one entirely.

Alternatively, because we all like analogies, what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing? We have a word we can use, drawing, that implies some sort of focused intent and another word, scribbling, that implies a lack of focused intent. I use the example of a 3 year old here to make it painfully simple (they lack the focused intent to be drawing), but anyone can choose to draw or to scribble. Ascetically, drawing is more pleasing to a viewer than scribbling would be, and some people completely suck at drawing so it doesn't make much of a difference which they're doing - the end product is a mess.

Judging by the amazing powers of mental prowess I'm seeing in this thread, I think some people would just be eating the crayon though... :|

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Btw, I like to scribble to come up with idea, which I then draw ^^
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby l33tmeatwad » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:17 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Judging by the amazing powers of mental prowess I'm seeing in this thread, I think some people would just be eating the crayon though... :|


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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Ikore » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:37 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing?
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby JaddziaDax » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:54 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

I disagree, because you can come up with a concept while editing, thus many IC videos were born.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:58 am

JaddziaDax wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

I disagree, because you can come up with a concept while editing, thus many IC videos were born.

To be fair, you kinda BS your way through things like ICs and hope nobody notices. :lol:
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby JaddziaDax » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:04 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

I disagree, because you can come up with a concept while editing, thus many IC videos were born.

To be fair, you kinda BS your way through things like ICs and hope nobody notices. :lol:


I donno one of my ICs (not an official contest, mind you) I actually came up with a concept on the spot O.O Of course in that particular case "random pretty scenes" beat out my concept anyway O:
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Nya-chan Production » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:41 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:The only absence of concept is when you don't define it beforehand. If you make a video and you don't know what will come out (I'll edit something, but I don't really know what), then you lack a concept.

I disagree, because you can come up with a concept while editing, thus many IC videos were born.

I always get my concept ready within the 20 minutes of song listening ^^;;;
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Emong » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:44 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Alternatively, because we all like analogies, what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing?

In my earlier post I was trying to point out that the question whether an AMV has a concept or not is not really relevant. But, if I should play along with your analogy, I would say why should I care whether the 3-year-old's drawings are art or not. It's merely a question of definition, which doesn't really concern any substantial matters. If I like the drawing, then I like the drawing, and whether it's art or not shouldn't really make a difference. Although, I once read about a child painter (about 5 years old or something) whose paintings were extremely expensive but when it turned out that her father had been giving her instructions all the time the price of the paintings dropped significantly. Such information ruined the "authenticity" (whatever that's supposed to mean) of these works. In other words that "it" what these paintings had in the minds of the public disappeared, even though the paintings were technically exactly the same as before. In the same way when we're talking about concepts we're not really talking about the AMVs themselves but that extra surplus value that we invest in them when we edit or that we look for when we watch AMVs. It's all very vague and subjective but I have no problems with that. It's just good to take this into account if you're gonna say something about concepts.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby CodeZTM » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:54 pm

Back to actual flaws.

1) I am incapable of using straight to black fades. They REALLY bother me. :uhoh:
2) Every time I try to beat sync, I end up having a small conniption fit that it's not any good and go back to lyric/mood sync. :(
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:36 pm

Emong wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Alternatively, because we all like analogies, what would you consider a 3 year old with a crayon is doing?

In my earlier post I was trying to point out that the question whether an AMV has a concept or not is not really relevant. But, if I should play along with your analogy, I would say why should I care whether the 3-year-old's drawings are art or not. It's merely a question of definition, which doesn't really concern any substantial matters. If I like the drawing, then I like the drawing, and whether it's art or not shouldn't really make a difference. Although, I once read about a child painter (about 5 years old or something) whose paintings were extremely expensive but when it turned out that her father had been giving her instructions all the time the price of the paintings dropped significantly. Such information ruined the "authenticity" (whatever that's supposed to mean) of these works. In other words that "it" what these paintings had in the minds of the public disappeared, even though the paintings were technically exactly the same as before. In the same way when we're talking about concepts we're not really talking about the AMVs themselves but that extra surplus value that we invest in them when we edit or that we look for when we watch AMVs. It's all very vague and subjective but I have no problems with that. It's just good to take this into account if you're gonna say something about concepts.

Read my post again. slowly. You missed the entire point of it. Like, the sentences following it, for instance.

You're also completely off base with the art comparison - "concept" doesn't equate to "meaning" or any such nebulous thing. It's knowing what the fuck you're doing or having a clear goal vs slapping clips disjointedly on a timeline hurp-derping it up. that's it. period. full stop.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Chez » Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:47 am

Sometimes limiting you're thinking can broaden you're creativity.

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1) Sometimes try too hard on story concepts and thus cut around things that would fit a beat sync or other types of basic amv tricks because it would ruin the continuity of the story I am creating. Its almost like putting myself in a very tine box.

2) I like hard cuts tooooooo much.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:31 am

Looking back, I'd say that before making AMV's... I didn't really know how to use a computer.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby HalOfBorg » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:13 am

- I don't do ANYTHING the right way. Each step I take I can show you a posting by the more knowing people saying just how wrong it is.
- My certificates and trophies at work are there to convince me that I'm more than a sack of crap. Doesn't work and I'm not fooling anyone else either.
- I am NEVER happy with how my videos look. I improve the image quality, but I know if I keep fooling with it I'll just make it worse. And then I'll 'just tweak this one bit here....'
- I like to use old songs because most of the younger crowd will have never heard them. Of course the REAL reason is not knowing a thing about current music.
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Re: AMV flaws you want to admit

Postby Emong » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:28 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Read my post again. slowly. You missed the entire point of it. Like, the sentences following it, for instance.

You're also completely off base with the art comparison - "concept" doesn't equate to "meaning" or any such nebulous thing. It's knowing what the fuck you're doing or having a clear goal vs slapping clips disjointedly on a timeline hurp-derping it up. that's it. period. full stop.

I didn't miss anything about your post. I was just trying to think outside your frame of thought as I define concepts differently :| I also don't know what you're getting out of demeaning other people here but it's really unconvincing and just bad argumentation :nono:
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