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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:43 am

Hits is an absolutely worthless metric in the first place.

Log out, go to vid page, F5 for an hour, ???, profit hits.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby Kyssifur » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:18 pm

I noticed that Number 1 is the number 1.

Nothing else...
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby NS » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:05 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Hits is an absolutely worthless metric in the first place.

Log out, go to vid page, F5 for an hour, ???, profit hits.


But since nobody logs out and does that for an hour it's not an ABSOLUTELY worthless metric. Sure people may go to the vid page more then just once, but it doesn't mean it's completely useless.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby 8bit_samurai » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:20 pm

The only time I would think hits are worthless is that if the catalogue entry is a MEP or if it has so many hits that it doesn't matter anymore. Same would go for the star rating, I would think.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:23 pm

NS wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Hits is an absolutely worthless metric in the first place.

Log out, go to vid page, F5 for an hour, ???, profit hits.


But since nobody logs out and does that for an hour it's not an ABSOLUTELY worthless metric. Sure people may go to the vid page more then just once, but it doesn't mean it's completely useless.

Well, they're not unique or bound by anything, so spiders, bots, etc. will alter them as well.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby Nya-chan Production » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:24 pm

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:Hits is an absolutely worthless metric in the first place.

Log out, go to vid page, F5 for an hour, ???, profit hits.


But since nobody logs out and does that for an hour it's not an ABSOLUTELY worthless metric. Sure people may go to the vid page more then just once, but it doesn't mean it's completely useless.

Well, they're not unique or bound by anything, so spiders, bots, etc. will alter them as well.

Though they will alter them for everyone (more or less) equally, so were back to square one :>
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:31 pm

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:Well, they're not unique or bound by anything, so spiders, bots, etc. will alter them as well.

Though they will alter them for everyone (more or less) equally, so were back to square one :>

If people don't go out and search for vids by hit count or decide to download based on hit count, then they have no comparative value for the consumer, only the producer. If the numbers are skewed upwards, it's an inflated value that has some unmeasurable amount of fudge built into it. How can you take that as being worth anything?
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby 8bit_samurai » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:55 pm

8bit_samurai wrote:The only time I would think hits are worthless for a producer is that if the catalogue entry is a MEP or if it has so many hits that it doesn't matter anymore. Same would go for the star rating, I would think.

fix'd. hits and star ratings are pretty useful if used together by the consumer, especially if it has so many hits and star counts. Generally, if a video has a lot of hits and has a star rating average of about 3.75, it can be safe to assume that it's a mediocre video at best. It may not be what the consumer is looking for, but it is still edited well enough. But if a video has low hits and a high star rating average, it would be hard to assume anything. It could be anything between the best AMV ever made and a very poorly edited video that the editor's acquaintances gave it a high star rating just because they are the editor's acquaintances. And so on and so forth.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby Nya-chan Production » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:33 pm

8bit_samurai wrote:Generally, if a video has a lot of hits and has a star rating average of about 3.25, it can be safe to assume that it's a mediocre video at best. It may not be what the consumer is looking for, but it is still edited well enough.

fix'd. Considering the number of people rating with 3, "mediocre quality" starts at about 3.25. To ascertain this, you can check the top star ratings - even the best videos (including everlasting hits like Euphoria etc) don't get to 4.5. 3.7 is actually pretty good and anything over 4 means anyone (except genre haters) can enjoy it.

All of this supposed you have enough hits, ofc.

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:Well, they're not unique or bound by anything, so spiders, bots, etc. will alter them as well.

Though they will alter them for everyone (more or less) equally, so were back to square one :>

If people don't go out and search for vids by hit count or decide to download based on hit count, then they have no comparative value for the consumer, only the producer. If the numbers are skewed upwards, it's an inflated value that has some unmeasurable amount of fudge built into it. How can you take that as being worth anything?

So you say that a video released 2 years ago that has 15,000 hits doesn't differ from a video released at the same time that has 500 hits at all?
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby godix » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:46 pm

Median star rating is 3.5. I have no idea what the mean is, but still, around 3.5 is a 'typical' vid. So 3.75 would be better than usual, 3.25 is worse.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby 8bit_samurai » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:56 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
8bit_samurai wrote:Generally, if a video has a lot of hits and has a star rating average of about 3.25, it can be safe to assume that it's a mediocre video at best. It may not be what the consumer is looking for, but it is still edited well enough.

fix'd. Considering the number of people rating with 3, "mediocre quality" starts at about 3.25. To ascertain this, you can check the top star ratings - even the best videos (including everlasting hits like Euphoria etc) don't get to 4.5. 3.7 is actually pretty good and anything over 4 means anyone (except genre haters) can enjoy it.

All of this supposed you have enough hits, ofc.

Anything in between 3 and 3.75 would work, really. It's just a matter of taste and paying attention to the details. In my experience in super searching, I order by stars and the top hit would usually be in between 3.70 and 3.85. Anything above 3.5 is usually pretty average and I wouldn't hesitate watching. Anything below, on the other hand, I'm pretty reluctant to watch, but most likely will end up watching anyways.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:45 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:So you say that a video released 2 years ago that has 15,000 hits doesn't differ from a video released at the same time that has 500 hits at all?

If I hadn't heard of either one, I wouldn't consider the 15,000 to be a valid number knowing what I know about how hits can be artificially manufactured.

godix wrote:Median star rating is 3.5. I have no idea what the mean is, but still, around 3.5 is a 'typical' vid. So 3.75 would be better than usual, 3.25 is worse.

I'd figure you'd realize a chance for cynicism and point out that sturgeon's law suggests the typical vid is a 1.5 or so, we just have too many people that have the pattern recognition skills necessary to not download enough of them in the first place to skew the numbers.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby 8bit_samurai » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:15 pm

Round and round in circles we go.
BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:So you say that a video released 2 years ago that has 15,000 hits doesn't differ from a video released at the same time that has 500 hits at all?

If I hadn't heard of either one, I wouldn't consider the 15,000 to be a valid number knowing what I know about how hits can be artificially manufactured.

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BasharOfTheAges wrote:
NS wrote:
But since nobody logs out and does that for an hour it's not an ABSOLUTELY worthless metric. Sure people may go to the vid page more then just once, but it doesn't mean it's completely useless.

Well, they're not unique or bound by anything, so spiders, bots, etc. will alter them as well.

Though they will alter them for everyone (more or less) equally, so were back to square one :>


Also, using hits alone is pretty stupid, but using hits with other data provided in user's catalogue and the video information page for the video can be pretty useful.
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godix wrote:Median star rating is 3.5. I have no idea what the mean is, but still, around 3.5 is a 'typical' vid. So 3.75 would be better than usual, 3.25 is worse.

I'd figure you'd realize a chance for cynicism and point out that sturgeon's law suggests the typical vid is a 1.5 or so, we just have too many people that have the pattern recognition skills necessary to not download enough of them in the first place to skew the numbers.

A typical vid may be 1.5, but a typical mediocre vid would be around 3.5.

2/5. Try expanding your vocab a bit rather than recycling words.
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:27 pm

8bit_samurai wrote:Round and round in circles we go.

Nothing you quoted contradicts anything else. The numbers simply are not valid. They do not accurately represent what they suggest to represent. There's no safeguard - they can't.

How many Hits does Dedicated to Godix have?
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Re: What weird things do you notice about your catalog entri

Postby Nya-chan Production » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:37 pm

Bigger number is bigger than a smaller one and I have never heard of anyone trying to rig the Hits counter.

That's enough to me to believe that I can use Hits counter as one of the guidance factors.
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