Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

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Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby godix » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:38 pm

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Odds are you've heard of this video, if not seen it. The persistent claim about it is that when it first premiered at a con, the audience liked it so much so that dealers sold out of the anime. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a nice story so I'll go with it.

Videos that cross genres are very common, it's pretty typical to see action/drama for example. This video is probably one of the only dance/drama combinations though. It sounds like a stupid combination, but it actually works rather well. There's a nice balance between an upbeat pace and fairly upbeat song with a dramatic story. I've never seen the anime, but I can follow what the video presents without little problem.

The editing is this videos high spot. It has sync, but doesn't get in your face about it. You can sit back and watch it without being hit with a damned flash every few seconds. The video has effects, but doesn't get in your face about it. If you look for it, they're there, but if you don't look for it they aren't so obvious you go 'knock that shit off'. There is a story being presented, but as with the other stuff it isn't so obvious that you can't overlook it if you don't feel like paying attention to it. Overall, the video has a balance that's pretty rare. It's possible to enjoy it as a dramatic story, a straightforward dance video, or a pretty tightly synced action vid without any of those being so overpowering that they majorly distract from whichever you choose to view the video as.

In fact my only real complaint about this is the chibi duck just looks stupid. A fucking chibi duck running around just kinda kills the mood. I kept expecting Charlotte and Wilbur to pop up next (Charlotte's Web, you illiterate buffoons). However, I think that flaw is from the anime rather than something added with this video.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby Fall_Child42 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:45 pm

godix wrote:
The editing is this videos high spot. It has sync, but doesn't get in your face about it. You can sit back and watch it without being hit with a damned flash every few seconds. The video has effects, but doesn't get in your face about it. If you look for it, they're there, but if you don't look for it they aren't so obvious you go 'knock that shit off'. There is a story being presented, but as with the other stuff it isn't so obvious that you can't overlook it if you don't feel like paying attention to it. Overall, the video has a balance that's pretty rare. It's possible to enjoy it as a dramatic story, a straightforward dance video, or a pretty tightly synced action vid without any of those being so overpowering that they majorly distract from whichever you choose to view the video as.


You know I agree with all of this, and this is why I really like the video.
However, I'm not sure why people seem to think that this video is more "artsy" than any other.

I have heard many different people Hold this video above all others as proof that AMVs can be art but I just don't see it.
I mean I agree it's art, and I like the video, but I just don't get how it's more ART.

Perhaps someone can explain that to me.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:46 pm

godix wrote:The persistent claim about it is that when it first premiered at a con, the audience liked it so much so that dealers sold out of the anime. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a nice story so I'll go with it.


I was there with people looking for it - the claim is true. By Sunday it was gone.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby dwchang » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:59 pm

Dr.Dinosaur wrote:You know I agree with all of this, and this is why I really like the video.
However, I'm not sure why people seem to think that this video is more "artsy" than any other.

I have heard many different people Hold this video above all others as proof that AMVs can be art but I just don't see it.
I mean I agree it's art, and I like the video, but I just don't get how it's more ART.

Perhaps someone can explain that to me.


This is going to sound mildly racist, but my guess is because the song is in French. Also the fact they used a non-popular source about ballet. Those two things are just "artsy" to people, which is dumb.

Personally? I think those reasons are stupid. Like you, I think all AMVs are technically art and this one is no more art than any other video.

With that said, I do enjoy the video quite a bit so don't let my reasons above make you think that I think otherwise about the quality of the video.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby godix » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:15 pm

Dr.Dinosaur wrote:I have heard many different people Hold this video above all others as proof that AMVs can be art but I just don't see it.
I mean I agree it's art, and I like the video, but I just don't get how it's more ART.

Perhaps someone can explain that to me.

I think dwchang is right, it's the ballet thing. People in tutu's = art. Nevermind that, even if true, it would mean the SOURCE is artistic, not the video itself.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby Castor Troy » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:26 pm

I really like this video and how intense it makes the source look. The art style doesn't look intense, but the editing, song, and scene selection literally turns this into something far more than what I think the source is. :shock:
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby kireblue » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:32 pm

godix wrote:In fact my only real complaint about this is the chibi duck just looks stupid. A fucking chibi duck running around just kinda kills the mood. I kept expecting Charlotte and Wilbur to pop up next (Charlotte's Web, you illiterate buffoons). However, I think that flaw is from the anime rather than something added with this video.

I find it funny that this video makes it seem like the duck was randomly thrown into the anime, but its actually the main character. (the duck transforms into a girl named duck and then transforms again into a princess named tutu)

Anyway, I very much agree with everything you said (except for the duck part), and I feel that this AMV will become a classic. I rented all of princess tutu simply because this AMV makes it look so awesome. I then bought the complete series because I liked it so much.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby McDirty » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:37 pm

This AMV serves a very good purpose, because it makes the watcher want to both watch the anime and listen more to the music artist. There are very few AMVs that can accomplish that successfully.

godix wrote:The persistent claim about it is that when it first premiered at a con, the audience liked it so much so that dealers sold out of the anime. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a nice story so I'll go with it.


That's something I respect if an editor is able to make that big of an influence.

:up: Thanks for recommending the vid. This is actually my first time watching it. (I know, I need to start attending cons so I can jump on the ball.)
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:57 pm

Any video that gets as many spin offs as this one did must obviously have something right.

I really enjoy this video, and would love to see something very similar. Something extremely dramatic and artsy [read:dance] that's more like an act in a play/performance than an AMV.

While I never thought of it before, the duck is a little silly in hindsight. Although I don't mind it so much that it ruins the video for me.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby Warlike Swans » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:31 pm

dwchang wrote:
This is going to sound mildly racist, but my guess is because the song is in French.


The song is actually in Swedish.

Not sure if other people looked up English translations of the lyrics.... they don't really make much sense with the video... but clearly the beat worked well.

I think since all AMVs are post-Warhol's Cambell soup cans we can all feel included under the pop-art umbrella and ignore anyone who feels inclined to make pretentious "art" "not-art" judgements.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby Fall_Child42 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:34 pm

CodeZTM wrote:Something extremely dramatic and artsy [read:dance]


IT IS the Ballet!
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby HalOfBorg » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:54 pm

I never realized it was a duck, I thought it more of just a generic bird.
*watches opening again*

Yep, with those feet I guess it is a duck.

"You can sit back and watch it without being hit with a damned flash every few seconds. " ---- grrrrrrrr, I JUST finished this part of this video I've been toying with for awhile, and I JUST got this flash timed right and so it was time to work on the flashes for the three sections coming in........

It's a damn good thing I don't listen to people when they tell me I'm doing it wrong.
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:38 pm

Dr.Dinosaur wrote:
CodeZTM wrote:Something extremely dramatic and artsy [read:dance]


IT IS the Ballet!
*shakes fist*

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Is it wrong to associate dance with art? Can dance not be dramatic or artistic?
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby godix » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:03 pm

CodeZTM wrote:Is it wrong to associate dance with art? Can dance not be dramatic or artistic?

I don't think the issue is can dance be artistic, but rather why does the inclusion of a specific type of dance automatically make something more artistic than videos without it?
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Re: Review - Hold Me Now - Alkampfer81

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:46 pm

godix wrote:
CodeZTM wrote:Is it wrong to associate dance with art? Can dance not be dramatic or artistic?

I don't think the issue is can dance be artistic, but rather why does the inclusion of a specific type of dance automatically make something more artistic than videos without it?


Ballet doesn't necessarily mean auto art. Had the song and mood been set to a rapping video [with the same scenes and no alterations], and there not been appropriate editing and just footage slapped on a timeline, it wouldn't have had the same artistic impact. The editing, the music, the scenes and everything combined together to make it what it was. That being said, had it used breakdancing music and used something from breakdancing videos, it would still be art, just not the same art you'd associate with this video. There's naturally more than one form of art.
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