Voices as instruments?

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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:58 pm

The near-indistinguishable foot-in-the-door technique, however, is perfectly cool. It's an observed and tested method of enacting subtle changes in a population with little push-back.
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby Fall_Child42 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:18 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:The near-indistinguishable foot-in-the-door technique, however, is perfectly cool. It's an observed and tested method of enacting subtle changes in a population with little push-back.


This is true, though it is because people don't think logically most of the time, and it also has nothing to do with argumentative techniques.
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:58 pm

Dr.Dinosaur wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:The near-indistinguishable foot-in-the-door technique, however, is perfectly cool. It's an observed and tested method of enacting subtle changes in a population with little push-back.


This is true, though it is because people don't think logically most of the time, and it also has nothing to do with argumentative techniques.

Framing your discussion on fear of the one is akin to the other though. Same with invoking "fist they came" all the time. Slippery slope meets historical pattern recognition at a weird point. Usually, the only distinction is what side of the fence you're on whether you see it as one or the other. It's pandering to that dishonestly that's fallacious. :nose:
It's just as dishonest to imply that discussing the concept in the first place isn't anything more than an attempt at deflection though.
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:11 pm

I would mark the opening to Star Trek (original series) as instrumental, however there is a vocal line in it.
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby Scintilla » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:05 am

Dr.Dinosaur wrote:(i think it would be different if they were onomonipeia(sp?)

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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby psylocke24 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:43 am

I am not good in voice or music theory but according to what I have heard it is instrumental since it is only making sounds and no words was said. just like a sound effect or background.
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby gotegenks » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:19 pm

I agree that the voice is an instrument just as much as anything else, but for the purpose of marking a genre down i don't think i'd consider it instrumental as it does use a voice which a lot of people turn to instrumental almost to avoid it, it's not good enough that they can't understand the words, the words and voice should be gone altogether.

i wouldn't mark it as instrumental. to me, it's a tad bit misleading, but i guess it's up to you. I don't think anybody will care either way...
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby Corran » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:50 pm

psylocke24 wrote:I am not good in voice or music theory but according to what I have heard it is instrumental since it is only making sounds and no words was said. just like a sound effect or background.

I agree.
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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby CorpseGoddess » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:39 pm

Okay, let's add another wrinkle.

If you're not familiar with Tomita, he was one of the early Moog pioneers. I grew up listening to his music (yes, I'm OLD) and I absolutely love it. Now, not only does he use voices as instruments, but they're *synthesized* voices. Thoughts?

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Re: Voices as instruments?

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Re: Voices as instruments?

Postby EvaFan » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:02 pm

Only problem I have with the idea "they aren't words so it doesn't count" is language barriers. I've run into some songs with operaic vocals that I'm not even sure if they are a language.

I don't understand Gaelic at all but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miaTf1g ... re=related the voice sounds like music to me in the form of vocals. I could listen to that without knowing any of the words and it soothes and calms my nerves just like any other well down-tempo'd instrumental without vocals, maybe even more so.
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