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Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Bauzi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:05 am

Heyho,

I'm planning an amv for a local convention and there was a question popping up in my mind:
How do I get the crowd's attention right on the beginning and how to make them shut up?

You see I'm thinking about using a very calm instrumental piano song and I want the crowd to stop talking and paying attention right at the beginning of the video. I can't just display a giant penis to get their attention :rofl: I need something serious. Something that shows them: Hey stop talking, this will be interestting.

Do you have any suggesstions? Or any other suggestions for convention videos?

I have one: Don't place text or credits in the bottom lines of your video. There is a high chance that people won't be able to read it because of the head of the person who is sitting in front of them. Also it distracts a lot of they have to move their head around to read some stuff.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby JaddziaDax » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:34 am

I got people to shut up at A-kon by submitting a Disney's Little Mermaid video to one of their contests... actually several of them laughed at first when they saw the video info then they were all silent.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby kireblue » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:26 am

Is your AMV meant to be a promo for something? If so, then it may be a good idea for your AMV to have a interesting intro. Here is the video that I made for Momocon's 2010 AMV Exhibition. The theme for Momocon's sixth ("roku") year was rock music, so I made it the theme of the AMV exhibition as well. And it's pretty conveionent that Ah, My Goddess has a few episodes that mention the number six ("roku") and rock and roll.



Or you could show them something weird or unexpected. Starting off with one of the Kara no Kyoukai shorts would be pretty funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhI3fgyc ... re=related
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby outlawed » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:54 pm

Bauzi wrote:How do I get the crowd's attention right on the beginning and how to make them shut up?
You see I'm thinking about using a very calm instrumental piano song and I want the crowd to stop talking and paying attention right at the beginning of the video.


Unfortunately there is very little you can do. Any quality contest coordinator will make certain to place the most serious and pretentious entry RIGHT after the funniest and biggest crowd pleaser. It's the only way to be sure that people have a good entry in mind so they don't immediately vacate the room thinking that "le suck has begun it's time to bail." Instead they will wait and see if another "good" entry or something showing a cool anime like Bleach or Naruto is shown.

I'm not certain if that wholly answers your question =p

Bauzi wrote: I have one: Don't place text or credits in the bottom lines of your video. There is a high chance that people won't be able to read it because of the head of the person who is sitting in front of them. Also it distracts a lot of they have to move their head around to read some stuff.


Another smart thing would be for them to actually learn about NTSC/PAL title safe areas.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby JudgeHolden » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:08 pm

If you just want to get their attention and look at the screen, turning off the lights helps. :P Honestly, at a con the last thing I want to hear during and after my video is complete silence. I love to hear / see people laughing, hooting, singing along, bouncing up and down in their seats ... so on and so on. |:>

I think the last thing people want to be at a convention is depressed ... most want to leave the emo at home and let loose for a weekend. So for me the most successful convention video is one that is upbeat and maybe a tad silly. :ying:

So, if this video is for the opening of a con ... Make it Big, Make it Loud, make it Proud!
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Bauzi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:55 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:I think the last thing people want to be at a convention is depressed ... most want to leave the emo at home and let loose for a weekend. So for me the most successful convention video is one that is upbeat and maybe a tad silly. :ying:

Unfortunately there is very little you can do. Any quality contest coordinator will make certain to place the most serious and pretentious entry RIGHT after the funniest and biggest crowd pleaser. It's the only way to be sure that people have a good entry in mind so they don't immediately vacate the room thinking that "le suck has begun it's time to bail."


This weekend I coordinate my first convention contest and we will show the hard cost at the beginning and get more and more into the fun videos. Let's see how this will turn out :jester: At least we don't want them to go home depressed.

Is your AMV meant to be a promo for something?

No it's a simple amv with a really calm and almost fragile song. I sounds strange, but even with headphones it's not that easy to get every tune. It's an emotional video and that's why I would like to make them stop talking.

I love to hear / see people laughing, hooting, singing along, bouncing up and down in their seats ... so on and so on. |:>

That's cool and I would like them to do the same, but not with this one :o


Another smart thing would be for them to actually learn about NTSC/PAL title safe areas.

Yeah it's really bad stuff. I got a lot of problems with other videos and forgetting it in my videos.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Kitsuner » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:28 pm

Why are you designing an emotional video for a convention?
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby godix » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:52 pm

Bauzi wrote:I can't just display a giant penis to get their attention

Why not?
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby EvaFan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:43 pm

Kitsuner wrote:Why are you designing an emotional video for a convention?

godix wrote:Why not?
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Bauzi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:11 pm

EvaFan wrote:
Kitsuner wrote:Why are you designing an emotional video for a convention?

godix wrote:Why not?

That's a good question because I think that the average con goer doesn't give a shit about such videos. I don't blame him. Actually he is not my audience. If he wants his caramel dansen he gets it, but he should shut the fuck up at the right time :asd:

Call me biased, but I think that highly complex video themes and content are probably not good crowd food :uhoh: There is a different if you have editors as viewers or the average viewers.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Taite » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:17 pm

Hmm, I don't know whether it's allowed or not, but I'd start with a scene from the anime you are using that helps represent what your video is about. I haven't seen it done before at conventions, but that's mostly because English dialogue isn't allowed.
You could use Japanese dialogue with the scene and add subtitles, though there's the small issue of the heads thing. But you may not even have to add subtitles if there is no dialogue, or it just simply isn't needed because what's happening in the scene is more important than what's being said.

Though I think starting off with something like dialogue, or even just text (in the center, so that it's easy to read), would force the viewer to listen or read. A good example would be Shinnie's "Eliminate, Extirpate, Asphyxiate..." I think the dialogue in the beginning is what first caught my attention.
It's just like how you might have an anime episode open in one tab, and you're just browsing the web in another tab, waiting for a fight scene to end. As soon as you hear words being spoken, you wonder what happened, so you switch tabs.

There's also the "beginning is the end" kind of scene. The ending scene would be placed at the beginning, but instead of being edited to music, it'd just be the noise from that one scene. It's kind of confusing at first because you don't know what's happening, but it's something catchy if they watch it all the way through.

I also like the suggestion of playing something unrelated at first, like the Kara no Kyoukai short. Instead of the ending kanji, you could replace it with text that says "Shh, the movie is about to start!" or something like that.


Bauzi wrote:This weekend I coordinate my first convention contest and we will show the hard cost at the beginning and get more and more into the fun videos. Let's see how this will turn out :jester: At least we don't want them to go home depressed.

Good luck in coordinating!
Just hope that you don't have a crowd full of people with short attention spans. I'd be worried that some might walk out if it was too slow/mellow for too long. :P I like the idea of ending it on a happy note though.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Bauzi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:22 pm

Great suggestions

Hmm, I don't know whether it's allowed or not, but I'd start with a scene from the anime you are using that helps represent what your video is about. I haven't seen it done before at conventions, but that's mostly because English dialogue isn't allowed.
You could use Japanese dialogue with the scene and add subtitles, though there's the small issue of the heads thing. But you may not even have to add subtitles if there is no dialogue, or it just simply isn't needed because what's happening in the scene is more important than what's being said.

At the contest I have a video that does the same thing and it works really well. It uses audio of the original anime with one scene. I don't know if they are linked together in the original anime. It's fitting it gets my attention within 5 seconds.

This is a quite fitting solution for me. I'm sure that there is something fitting in the anime that I use for my amv.

I don't think that text has the same impact as a dialog.

There's also the "beginning is the end" kind of scene. The ending scene would be placed at the beginning, but instead of being edited to music, it'd just be the noise from that one scene. It's kind of confusing at first because you don't know what's happening, but it's something catchy if they watch it all the way through.

Hmmm... do you have an example of this one?

I also like the suggestion of playing something unrelated at first, like the Kara no Kyoukai short. Instead of the ending kanji, you could replace it with text that says "Shh, the movie is about to start!" or something like that.

Do you know the anime Hayate No Gotoku? It has a very good intro for a fun amv.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Taite » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:04 pm

Hmmm... do you have an example of this one?

To my knowledge it has never been done in an amv before. It's been done several times in movies, however, and I think it could work just as well in an amv (probably better in one that tells a story.) When it's done well, it ends up being very suspenseful.
Some examples in movies are Mission Impossible 3, Memento, Fight Club, The Blind Side, Swordfish, Pan's Labyrinth, The Usual Suspects, and The Invisible.
However, if adding a scene from the anime works out well for you, then I'd just go with that. Making the ending the beginning is something you'd have to test out and judge for yourself whether it works for your amv or not.

For example. If you make an amv with School Days then you could start off the amv with the scene of Sekai killing Makoto. And then the amv starts up, and it begins to tell the story of Makoto, Sekai, and Kotonoha from the beginning. Eventually you begin to understand Sekai's motives for killing Makoto, but it doesn't really seem to hit you until the ending when the scene repeats itself.
Definitely something you'd have to test out though. It'd have to be executed well.


Do you know the anime Hayate No Gotoku? It has a very good intro for a fun amv.

Heard of it, never seen. It might work well if it fits the "type of amv", aka a fun type of amv, rather than a dramatic one. Misleading beginnings aren't always good ones.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby Taite » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:13 pm

Oh, and forgot to mention 21 (a movie.) 21 has a really unique beginning. It starts off with the ending, but it actually flows so well into the rest of the story that it makes you think you are actually watching the beginning, while really you are watching part of the end.
I think if something like this were replicated in an amv, it'd be really neat. It'd also have a much bigger impact on someone who hasn't seen the anime.
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Re: Tipps for videos designed for conventions

Postby gotegenks » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:03 pm

has anyone said boobs yet?
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