IC standards?

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IC standards?

Postby -MD » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:27 pm

So....I use to IC quite a bit....I've always wondered. If you were a judge, how would you rate an IC.

Recent Example (I helped judge for):

Both people used the same song (of course)
AND both used the same anime.

Editor #1's video was 2 mins and 30 secs long and had basic syncing and focused more on filling the timeline (had a mild story to it)...it is not a bad vid.

Editor #2's video was 1 min long because they focused a lot more on sync and polishing up the video (it looks good)...story and theme is somewhat lacking.

I guess what I'm say....what sticks out the most to you? What do you mainly score an IC on? Because I notice that some people value more things than others.
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Re: IC standards?

Postby JaddziaDax » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:12 am

if it comes down to it, I go for the one I enjoyed more...
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Postby Infinity Squared » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:39 am

JaddziaDax wrote:if it comes down to it, I go for the one I enjoyed more...


Yup visceral enjoyment... If I enjoyed it, then it must have done something right.
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Postby Nessephanie » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:40 am

It's mostly the same for me. I don't take the technical merits into account much, I vote for the one I enjoyed (and everyone enjoys different stuff), which to me is usually whichever is well edited and uses the match up the best. It doesn't matter so much to me if someone uses the whole song or only does 1 minute as long as I enjoy it.

I will say that if someone does 15seconds and focuses only on making it a pure effects spasm, I don't much enjoy those. I just don't really see an IC as the place for that kinda thing, you're supposed to make the best video that you can in the time, and I don't see that as really being in the spirit of it. *shrugs*
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Re: IC standards?

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:51 am

Meteor Dragon wrote:Both people used the same song (of course)

I think this "of course it's the same song" business is silly. Different battles can use different rules, and that's what I like about any competition.

As for the actual question, I'll parrot the previous posters and vote for whichever seems more interesting.
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Re: IC standards?

Postby EvaFan » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:17 am

Meteor Dragon wrote:Editor #1's video was 2 mins and 30 secs long and had basic syncing and focused more on filling the timeline (had a mild story to it)...it is not a bad vid.

Editor #2's video was 1 min long because they focused a lot more on sync and polishing up the video (it looks good)...story and theme is somewhat lacking.


I would think this boils more down to the judges own editing style preference. Some people really like beat sync, flow, consistency, and movement, they can really get into an AMV more easily that way cause it's the style they like. Some people prefer story, coherency, or some kind of discerning reaction to it (more than just "that's awesome!") or just some basic emotional experience. That doesn't go on to say it completely makes the whole of their decision as to which is better but it definitely effects it cause this all so plays a factor in enjoyment. I'll go ahead and admit that editor#1 is more appealing to me for enjoyment (due to my editing style) but that's just from reading it... Without an actual video comparison, it's impossible to decide.

This is why IMO it would be a good idea to have a variety of judges.

Slightly off topic:
You can probably tell your preference by just asking yourself: Which would you rather edit to? An instrumental song or a song with lyrics.
I'd pick a song with great lyrics or opera styled vocals over an instrumental anyday.
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Re: IC standards?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:43 pm

EvaFan wrote:This is why IMO it would be a good idea to have a variety of judges.

Seconded.

EvaFan wrote:Slightly off topic:
You can probably tell your preference by just asking yourself: Which would you rather edit to? An instrumental song or a song with lyrics.
I'd pick a song with great lyrics or opera styled vocals over an instrumental anyday.

I'd pick instrumental anytime :>
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Re: IC standards?

Postby NS » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:57 pm

yah, basically It's whichever I like better based on the editing. It's kinda sad because I've seen a lot of shorter videos that SHOULD have won IMO lose to kind of lackluster longer videos because I'm pretty sure the judges were like "LOLOLOLOLOL LONG VIDEO, IT MUST BE GOOD"...but it doesn't seem to happen TOO much.
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Re: IC standards?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:29 pm

NS wrote:yah, basically It's whichever I like better based on the editing. It's kinda sad because I've seen a lot of shorter videos that SHOULD have won IMO lose to kind of lackluster longer videos because I'm pretty sure the judges were like "LOLOLOLOLOL LONG VIDEO, IT MUST BE GOOD"...but it doesn't seem to happen TOO much.

I've seen that attitude once and it was kinda different, like "dunno, both seem the same to me, so the longer one wins", which to me seems weird |:
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Re: IC standards?

Postby Ileia » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:20 pm

I've seen the reverse attitude before. There is sometimes an assumption that if you finished a long video that it sucks because there's no way you could make it worthwhile in the amount of time you edited, that it was slapped together with no forethought and that if a video is shorter it automatically must have had more put into it. There are simply too many variables to assume those are the only reasons why someone edited more or less on the timeline. How well the song works with your source, how well you KNOW your own source, possible hardware/software issues, etc.

Judgement on length can go both ways, it just depends on the judge. I haven't really seen a trend of longer or shorter videos consistently winning because (usually) a variety of judges with different tastes are selected. Besides, everyone knows they should really be judged on girth. :O
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Re: IC standards?

Postby godix » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:47 pm

I tend to go with which one I can tell was edited the most/best and keep an eye out for cheap crowd (judge?) pandering tricks as well. Humor or kawaii, for example, are ways to try and make a mediocre editing job appear better than it is. The few times I've been asked to judge, often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.

Sometimes random change plays a role too, if the source just plain doesn't match the song that often ends up as a loser. Yeah, I know the source is selected before you know the audio, but still, if I'm watching a video that tried to turn K-On into some angst action video then fate just boned ya. Sucks to be you, loser.
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Re: IC standards?

Postby Knowname » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:04 pm

this video was basically video #1! it don't got many edits, cuz it don't NEED many edits! I still don't think it should have lost (and the star rating it's gotten since is LESS than 2.5! You'd think it curses the audience' mother and rapes your sister!! Where in reality it only does the second part) I am rather amused at how badly it gets taken though...
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Re: IC standards?

Postby MycathatesyouAMV » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:06 pm

If I judged on based on what I enjoyed more, my judgement would be flawed. Because for example Im going to greatly enjoy something decent with my favorite anime more than something with an anime dislike but it was edited great. So I choose which I think is the best.

There is a difference between liking a video more and which you think is better.
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Re: IC standards?

Postby JaddziaDax » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:41 pm

but we are talking about videos using the same source, not different sources
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Re: IC standards?

Postby EvaFan » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:50 am

godix wrote:often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.


Just to play devil's advocate, would you pick the food that was alot better prepared/presented or the food that tastes alot better for a real IC if you judged?
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